"Russia is a problem, China's a crisis. And for those who try to flip that around, they're really giving the Beijing line. What we have seen in the Bay Area, in San Francisco, is, the Chinese spies have infiltrated the Bay Area political system," he said. "You look at Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer information this week, Eric Swalwell, even Gavin Newsom. These are all San Francisco, Northern California, Bay Area politicians who have fallen prey to Chinese spy tactics. We have to call it out and be very clear that what they are trying to do is compete with the United States to the point where they defeat us."
"This is the communist China strategy," he said. "Many of these politicians are the leaders of saying, look over at Russia, Russia is the problem, don't look at Beijing, don't look at China."
BARTIROMO: Ric, I want to get into China and take a look at why there is so much activity in San Francisco.
But, before I do, let me close the loop on our other conversation. Very quickly, do you expect indictments from John Durham? First -- he's the prosecutor. He's running a criminal investigation. First, he said there was going to be an interim report. Then we were told we will likely see indictments.
Will we see indictments in the Russia hoax criminal investigation?
GRENELL: So, the answer is that I don't know. But I suspect that we will.
He's been very thorough. The information that he's been asking has been detailed and diverse. I think that we will see some sort of indictments. And I certainly think that he will focus on the right people. This is not a political exercise for him. He's demonstrated that over and over.
BARTIROMO: You have said many times that China remains our biggest threat in this country.
The Chinese Communist Party wants to overtake the United States as the number one superpower. And the foreign policy team is packed with China appeasers in this incoming administration.
Jake Sullivan for NSA co-authored an essay arguing for managed coexistence with China. Antony Blinken for secretary of state named in Ron Johnson's report on Hunter Biden and Burisma scrubbing the Web site of the CCP's China ties.
Alejandro Mayorkas for the Department of Homeland Security, he was found to have sold green cards to Chinese nationals on behalf of Democrat donors. And then there's all the activity in San Francisco.
What can you tell us about the China threat and what you have learned about California's ties to the CCP?
GRENELL: Well, the first thing let's say is that Russia is a problem, China's a crisis.
And for those who try to flip that around, they're really giving the Beijing line. What we have seen in the Bay Area, in San Francisco, is, the Chinese spies have infiltrated the Bay Area political system.
You look at Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer information this week, Eric Swalwell, even Gavin Newsom. These are all San Francisco, Northern California, Bay Area politicians who have fallen prey to Chinese spy tactics. We have to call it out and be very clear that what they are trying to do is compete with the United States to the point where they defeat us.
This is the communist China strategy. And we can't be unclear about that. We have to recognize when we have a competitor that has infiltrated into our political system at -- at the local level. That's their strategy. And they hope that these local politicians build up and grow up and their relationship expands.
But when it comes to governors across our state, members of Congress, politicians, the educational system, certainly, we have seen Chinese spies throughout all of academia. And we have to be able to recognize it and call it out and get rid of it.
This is a competition of big ideas, communism vs. capitalism.
BARTIROMO: Well, it's very disturbing. And the whole world should worry about this, I believe, Ric.
I mean, if the Chinese Communist Party is saying they want to overtake America to become the number one superpower, the free world should be outraged by this, that a communist country wants to be the dominant country in the world.
And I feel like these Chinese spy stories that you're referring to, Dianne Feinstein had a driver and a manager for 20 years. For 20 years, he's listening to her and sending information back to the CCP. It was sort of blown off. The mainstream media didn't talk much about it. Same with Barbara Boxer.
Now we have got the Eric Swalwell situation. He is China's guy. I mean, this Christine Fang met him when he was a local politician. She raised money for him, helped him become an elected official in Congress, and now is on the Intel Committee. And Nancy Pelosi just put him on the Homeland Security Committee.
It was also a stick in the eye, I guess, on Nancy Pelosi's part to say he's one of the managers for an impeachment trial for President Trump. Your reaction?
GRENELL: Look, it's their the Chinese strategy, the Communist Party's strategy in the United States, specifically in San Francisco in the Bay Area, is working.
They are developing relationships that are extremely problematic. And what we do have is, many of these politicians are the leaders of saying, look over at Russia, Russia is the problem, don't look at Beijing, don't look at China.
We see this as a huge problem. And the irony is, is that right down the road is Silicon Valley, where big tech is starting its march towards doing many things that the Communist Chinese Party welcomes.
We look at 5G technology and the fact that we're trying to stop companies like Huawei from selling to our allies around the world. We see the problem with TikTok. We see the problem developing with facial recognition companies.
The Chinese companies that do facial recognition are terrible. They are the irresponsible companies using technology for nefarious reasons. The American versions of all those need to be supported. We need to never be in a position where we're asking our allies to reject Huawei and not have an option on 5G.
We cannot be behind on technology. And we have too many people in Washington, too many people in academia that have decided that they're just going to manage the relationship with China, as Jake Sullivan says. I think that's a dangerous road.
And I recognize the danger. We recognize the danger on this program, have been zeroing in on the CCP's goals and motives now for four years, at least.
And one of the reasons that we highlighted the story of Hunter Biden accepting money from companies overseas in particular, doing a deal with a Chinese company that was tied to the Communist Party, all of this is important to understand as we try to better understand what the U.S.-China policy will be in a different administration.
President Trump was very tough on China, first time we saw that in this 40 years of engagement with China. Ric, do you believe that the China policy will change and become softer under Joe Biden?
GRENELL: I think it already has.
I think that Beijing is celebrating many of these appointments that the Biden administration is putting forward. It's a big concern. And we need to make sure that conservative Democrats, those who are concerned about China speak up, because, when you look at the Senate, you look at the House, Republicans cannot do it alone.
We are going to need to have allies in the Democratic Party. We can't be fighting about everything on a partisan basis. We need to reach out and explain why this is such a crisis to Democrats and have them stand up.