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Biden vs. Sanders on Medicare For All: Idea That You're Going To Convince Middle Class To Increase Taxes Is Preposterous

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Joe Biden criticized Bernie Sanders for expecting people who make $60,000 a year to be okay with more taxes being taken out of their paycheck for a Medicare for All system.

"I am the only guy that has not interrupted here, all right? I am going to interrupt right now," Biden said. "It cost $30 trillion, let's get that straight, $30 trillion over 10 years. Some say it cost $20 trillion, some say it cost $40 trillion. The idea that you are going to be able to save that person making $60,000 a year on Medicare for all is absolutely preposterous. 16 percent of the American public is on Medicare now and everybody has a tax taken out of their paycheck now. Tell me you are going to add 84 percent more and there's not going to be higher taxes?"

"At least before he was honest about it," Biden finished.

"That's right, we are going to increase personal taxes but we are eliminating premiums, we are eliminating copayments, we are eliminating deductibles. We are eliminating all out-of-pocket expenses and no family in America will spend more than $200 a year on prescription drugs," Sanders responded.

ALBERTA: Thanks, Amna. Moving to healthcare, an issue that voters tell us every day is still the number one priority for them, Senator Sanders you have spent plenty of time discussing and defending the merits of your Medicare for all plans but the reality is that if Republicans retain control of the U.S. Senate or even if Democrats win back a narrow Senate majority your plan is constituted probably would not have the votes to pass Congress so the question senator is if Congress rejects your plan and the American people are looking to you for leadership on this issue are there smaller specific measures that you would take the media at Lee to expand coverage and decrease cost as President?

SANDERS: Well, Tim, at a time when we are spending twice as much per capita on healthcare as any other nation when 87 million people are uninsured or underinsured, when 30,000 people are dying each year because they don't get to a doctor when they should and when half 1 million people are going bankrupt because of the dysfunctional and cruel system that we currently have you know what? I think we will pass a Medicare for all single-payer system and I will introduce that legislation in my first week in office.

Now to answer your question I think when we go out to the American people and tell them that right now we have got to take on the greed and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry for example which in some cases charges us 10 times more for the same exact drug as is charged in this country. When the American people understand that Medicare for all expands Medicare to cover home health care, dental care, eyeglasses in hearing aids and does it add a cost far, far lower than what some of my opponents are talking about you know what? We are going to have the American people behind us. We will have Congress behind us.

ALBERTA: Thank you, Senator Sanders. Vice President Biden I would like to bring you in. You spent an awful lot of time 10 years ago trying to pass a bill far less ambitious than what Senator--Senator Sanders is talking about here. Is he being realistic?

BIDEN: I don't think it is realistic but let me explain why.

I introduced a plan to build on Obamacare. Reminded everybody 20 million people got insurance didn't have it before, all people with pre-existing conditions were able to being covered. I can go on. We didn't get all that we wanted but now that it has been exposed that taking it away has such dire consequences I have added to the Obamacare plan the Biden initiative which is a public option Medicare if you want to have Medicare from reducing significantly the price of drugs, deductibles, etc. made by underwriting the plan to a tune of about $750 billion and making sure that we are able to cover every one who is in fact able to be covered.

Put your hand down for a second, Bernie, okay.

(LAUGHTER)

SANDERS: Just waving to you, Joe.

BIDEN: I know, I know.

SANDERS: Saying hello.

BIDEN: I know. So look it covers everybody, it is realistic and most importantly it lets you choose what you want. Here you have 116 million people negotiated their health plans with their employer like many of you have. You may or may not like it. If you don't like it you can move into the public option that I propose in my plan but if you like it you shouldn't have Washington dictating to you you cannot keep the plan you have.

ALBERTA: Thank you Vice President Biden.

BIDEN: That's a fun--

BERGER: Senators Sanders, 45 seconds for a response.

SANDERS: Under Joe's plan essentially we retain the status quo.

BIDEN: That is not true.

SANDERS: It is exactly true.

KLOBUCHAR: No, that is not right.

SANDERS: And but--thank you (INAUDIBLE) by the way Joe under your plan you know you asked me how are we going to pay for it. Under your plan I will tell you exactly how we are paying for it right now, the average worker in America their family makes $16,000 a year. That family is now paying $12,000 a year for healthcare, 20 percent of their income. Under Medicare for all that family will be paying $1200 a year because we are eliminating the profiteering of the drug companies and the insurance companies and ending this (INAUDIBLE) and complex administration of thousands of separate healthcare plans.

(CROSSTALK)

ALBERTA: Senator Klobuchar I am going to come to you.

BIDEN: My name was mentioned.

ALBERTA: Yes, I am going to come to you 45 seconds. 45 seconds for Vice President Biden.

BIDEN: I am the only guy that has not interrupted here, all right? I am going to interrupt(ph) right now. It cost $30 trillion, let's get that straight, $30 trillion over 10 years. Some say it cost $20 trillion, some say it cost $40 trillion. The idea that you are going to be able to save that person making $60,000 a year on Medicare for all is absolutely preposterous. 16 percent of the American public is on Medicare now and everybody has a tax taken out of their paycheck now. Tell me you are going to add 84 percent more and there's not going to be higher taxes? At least(ph) before he was honest about it.

SANDERS: Joe?

BIDEN: It is going to increase personal taxes, they are going to be--

SANDERS: That's right, we are going to increase personal taxes but we are eliminating premiums, we are eliminating copayments, we are eliminating deductibles. We are eliminating all out-of-pocket expenses and no family in America will spend more than $200 a year on prescription drugs.



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