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Rep. Cohen: 'Wizard of Oz' Being Played Out For The American Public And Trump Thinks He's The Wizard

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Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) on the Trump White House refusing to cooperate with the Democratic-led House of Representatives.

"What we see and what we saw yesterday with Trump saying that he had the greatest wisdom and the most -- his infinite wisdom or great wisdom, some quote like that, we're seeing the the Wizard of Oz being played out for the American public. He thinks he is the wizard. The wizard said he was powerful and great, he was powerful and terrible. Trump saw the Wizard of Oz once too much. He's more like the scarecrow than he is the wizard," Cohen said on CNN Tuesday.





JIM SCIUTTO, CNN HOST: Okay. The Democrats have an aggressive, ambitious timeline for completing an impeachment inquiry. There was some talk of having it all wrapped up by Thanksgiving. Here we are, October 7th, 8th, and you have the White House stonewalling on key interviews and documents and text messages. You can keep to that timeline?

REP. STEVE COHEN (D-TN): If we do, it's going to have to be an abbreviated amount of facts that we give that are available for the Senate to present in a trial, and that may be what some senators use as their cues not vote. Guilt is the fact that the proof wasn't induced. But, again, there is -- common sense tells you there's guilt all over this White House. They refuse to comply. They refuse to give depositions.

They say -- you know, Trump said I want to talk to Mueller, then he didn't. And then when he gave a deposition, a third to half of his answers, I don't remember and I don't know. That's not being open with the public. And then today, he tweeted just an hour ago, I want Sondland to testify, but it's a kangaroo court. That's all hooey. That's all hooey. This is all hiding the truth, hiding the facts and dodging.

SCIUTTO: Before you go, Congressman, we have some new reporting from our Pamela Brown, saying, it is clear that the White House Counsel's Office is directing other government agencies. It advised the State Department to block Sondland's testimony. What's your reaction to the White House Counsel's Office telling the State Department that this ambassador cannot testify in defiance of Congress?

COHEN: Well, the White House Counsel has done this over a period of time, and they've filed proceedings on behalf of Trump. The court in New York basically said that the claim that they were beyond being investigated or being in the state court was just hooey and was just joke and it's repugnant to the Constitution.

What we see and what we saw yesterday with Trump saying that he had the greatest wisdom and the most -- his infinite wisdom or great wisdom, some quote like that, we're seeing the the Wizard of Oz being played out for the American public. He thinks he is the wizard. The wizard said he was powerful and great, he was powerful and terrible. Trump saw the Wizard of Oz once too much. He's more like the scarecrow than he is the wizard.

SCIUTTO: All right, or the man behind the curtain. Congressman Steve Cohen, thanks so much for joining us this morning.

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