President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani continued his defense of the president in the Ukraine scandal in an interview Thursday night with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, saying that he is the "legitimate whistleblower" and deserves to be congratulated for his role in uncovering Joe Biden's corruption.
"There's a reason I'm in the middle of this," Giuliani said. "It emerges from the corruption of how they tried to hide this for years, including trying to cover up Biden for years. I got this because the FBI wouldn't take it. The Ukrainians who came to me back in November of 2018 and then subsequently have told this to five other people who could testify to it, told me that we -- we have been trying to get to you for over a year, year and a half. We have solid evidence of collusion. Not Russian, Ukrainian. Not with Trump, with Hillary and the DNC."
"We believe George Soros is behind it because his company was -- was involved in it," he explained. "By the way, when Biden's son's case was dismissed, the other case the crooked new prosecutor had to dismiss was Soros' case, which is why the Biden thing is relevant to me because Biden's corruption, Biden's compromising the president of the Ukraine led to the dismissal of the case against Soros' organization.
"Had that case gone on, we would've had the evidence to refute the Mueller investigation on day one. This is the damage they did to this country," he said. "This is a gigantic scandal."
.@RudyGiuliani: I’m a legitimate whistleblower. I have uncovered corruption that this Washington swamp has been covering up, effectively, for years. And his State Department asked me to do this. So Mike, if you’re unhappy with me, I’m sorry, but I accomplished my mission pic.twitter.com/FMy5zjHZT5— TrumpPatriot🇵🇱🇺🇸 (@TrumpPatriotPL) September 27, 2019
"I actually think they should all congratulate me," he quipped. "If it weren’t for me, nobody would have uncovered and faced massive corruption by the vice president of the United States. In fact, I’m a legitimate whistleblower."
He also directly addressed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, saying: "I have uncovered corruption that this Washington swamp has been covering up effectively for years. And his State Department asked me to do this. So Mike, if you’re unhappy with me, I’m sorry, but I accomplished my mission.
LAURA INGRAHAM, FOX NEWS HOST: Rudy Giuliani is the president's personal attorney and the man "The Wall Street Journal" referred to tonight as the center of the Ukraine controversy. Now this after the whistle-blower accused him of going rogue, saying: State Department officials, including Ambassadors Volker and Sandland, had spoken with him in an attempt to contain the damage to U.S. national security.
Rudy G joins me now to respond.
All right, Rudy, I want to start with these texts that you sent my team, which our audience now can see.
RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PERSONAL ATTORNEY: Only two of 15, by the way. I got 13 more congratulating me --
INGRAHAM: Yes, OK, you only gave us two, but I want -- all right, I want to show them.
GIULIANI: Volker and Sandland congratulated me for what I was doing.
INGRAHAM: OK. Let's show them. Let's show them.
They are dated before Trump's call --
INGRAHAM: -- with Ukrainian president --
GIULIANI: Very important point.
INGRAHAM: -- and involved correspondence with the Ambassador Volker who is the U.S. special rep to Ukraine.
Now, what is the significance of these? And are you, Rudy, concerned that you are unnecessarily dragging, you know, his name into this?
GIULIANI: Who? Whose name?
INGRAHAM: Volker's name. Volker.
GIULIANI: Yes, well, he -- he should step forward and explain what he did.
The whistle-blower falsely alleges that I was operating on my own. Well, I wasn't operating on my own. I went to meet Mr. Zelensky's aide at the request of the State Department. Fifteen memos make that clear.
I didn't know Mr. Yermak. On July 19th, you see it right there, 2019, at 4:48 in the afternoon, I got a call from Volker. Volker said, would you meet with him? It would be helpful to us. We really want you to do it.
Four, five conversations later, I met with him and -- I met with him in Madrid. I reported back to them in a rather lengthy conversation, I spoke to Ambassador Sandland four times, I spoke to Volker eight times. They basically -- they basically knew everything I was doing.
So, it was being done with the authorization and at the request -- and then I have a final one in which they -- there is a big "thank you" about how my honest and straightforward discussion led to solving a problem in the relationship.
Judge, I think I should get some kind of an award.
INGRAHAM: Well, they say -- they say -- we'd like to greet you --
GIULIANI: You have the last -- you have the last one that says --
INGRAHAM: Yes, yes, we're putting -- we're putting -- yes, we're putting it up on the screen. OK, this is the one we have.
We really enjoyed breakfast this morning. As discussed connecting you --
GIULIANI: No, no, that's not one. No. That's not it.
INGRAHAM: All right. Well, these are the two ones -- we can't put up on the screen if you don't give it to us, Rudy. So --
GIULIANI: I did give it to you. I did give it to you.
INGRAHAM: All right. Well, these are the ones I have. I can't do --
INGRAHAM: -- hand puppets to put them up there.
GIULIANI: The one that I sent to you is one at the end of all of this, they sent me one saying, your honest and frank discussion really helped to solve this and it's going to really help settle the relationships between the two countries.
I don't know why they haven't said that to the press to kind of -- to kind of explain this very false picture that's being created.
But there's another significance to that -- to that particular text. Note the date, July 19th. In the statement that he made, the complaint that he made, the whistle-blower asserts that the meeting that I had with Zelensky's aide was the direct result, I'm quoting, direct result, of the conversation between President Trump and Zelensky.
It couldn't possibly be true, because if you look at that July 19th memo, text, that's when we started setting it up. The meeting was set three days before the telephone conversation.
Just to get even more careful about it, the I.G. has to be one of those sloppier guys around because Zelensky makes it clear on page four of the transcript that I already had talked to his aide when he tells the president that.
So, this guy doesn't know what happened. He gets the prosecutors confused. He falsely asserted I talked to two people my records demonstrate I didn't talk to. One of whom I was specifically told not to talk to because he was described as a crook.
INGRAHAM: Yes. So, who is the State Department --
GIULIANI: This is filled, this is filled --
INGRAHAM: Yes, I want to ask this.
GIULIANI: This is filled with lies.
INGRAHAM: Yes, Rudy, I want to ask you this. Who told -- so where did the State Department get its marching orders from, here? Because people I think are extremely confused.
All of these wild allegations about you, you have a series of text that refute pretty much every single one of them. And so, the State Department was then -- it was then told to connect you with them how? How did that begin?
GIULIANI: There's a reason I'm in the middle of this and the reason is very -- it emerges from the corruption of how they tried to hide this for years, including trying to cover up Biden for years. I got this because the FBI wouldn't take it.
The Ukrainians who came to me back in November of 2018 and then subsequently have told this to five other people who could testify to it, told me that we -- we have been trying to get to you for over a year, year and a half. We have solid evidence of collusion. Not Russian, Ukrainian. Not with Trump, with Hillary and the DNC.
We believe George Soros is behind it, because his company was -- was involved in it.
By the way, when Biden's son's case was dismissed, the other case the crooked new prosecutor had to dismiss was Soros' case, which is why the Biden thing is relevant to me because Biden's corruption, Biden's compromising the president of the Ukraine led to the dismissal of the case against Soros' organization.
GIULIANI: Had that case gone on, we would've had the evidence to refute the Mueller investigation on day one. This is the damage they did to this country.
INGRAHAM: Did you see, Rudy -- yes. Did you see Biden --
GIULIANI: This is a gigantic scandal.
INGRAHAM: Did you see Biden, I guess it was last night with Jimmy Kimmel, where he was basically saying there's nothing to see here? No reputable organization --
GIULIANI: I can't look at Biden.
INGRAHAM: I mean, he just blows it off. And he's like this is ridiculous.
GIULIANI: I have a visceral reaction to a man who sells public office. And he's been doing it since he was a senator. His son took over where his brother left off, and the Washington --
INGRAHAM: Hey, Rudy, I got to ask you --
GIULIANI: And the Washington press corps --
INGRAHAM: We've talked about that. I want to move the conversation along. I want to move the conversation along --
GIULIANI: The Washington press corps --
INGRAHAM: -- because a lot of other stuff is out there.
GIULIANI: -- because he's a Democrat, because he's a Democrat -- no, no --
INGRAHAM: Yes, but -- that's obvious. They're just going to push it away. They're not going to take it seriously. They're going to say there's nothing here.
GIULIANI: No, it's going to end very badly -- it's going to end very badly for the Washington press corps.
INGRAHAM: But, Rudy, I've got to ask you. I've got to move this conversation along. I've got -- I've got to move this along, Rudy.
INGRAHAM: The Republicans in the Senate, Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse, a few others, are -- say, oh, this is deeply troubling. This is deeply troubling, what we've seen and in this whistle-blower complaint or in this sort of transcript.
What do you make of these Republicans? The president has a 94 percent, I believe, 94 percent approval rating, around there, among Republicans. Yet the mainstream media is always looking for that crack -- well, how long -- how wide will this division get in the Republican Party?
What do you say to Mitt Romney tonight, given that he runs to the cameras to express his deeply troubled opinion about this?
GIULIANI: I don't know, maybe he's as confused about this as he was when Candy Crowley contradicted him and his campaign fell apart. I mean, come on, this guy is not -- you know, the strongest guy you're going to find anywhere. I wouldn't count on him.
And he's bitter about Donald Trump. I mean, every time he -- it's like -- I don't know, it's like a child.
I mean, look, Mitt, Trump did what you couldn't do. Trump has ability to relate to people, you don't. That's always been true.
One time Bill Clinton asked me, what's this guy Romney like? You know what I told him? He's our Al Gore. He's jealous.