President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani joined "FOX News Sunday" guest host John Roberts to explain his comments about his fact-finding trip to Ukraine regarding alleged corruption involving former VP Joe Biden's son and a Ukrainian energy company, Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election, and the 2020 Biden campaign.
"I have all the contacts between Democrats and the Ukraine and John, when the rest of this comes out, and we look at China and the $1.5 billion that the Biden family took out of China while that guy was negotiating for us, this will be a lot bigger than Spiro Agnew," Giuliani said.
"[Biden's] family has been taking money from his public office for years," Giuliani said about Biden. "Ladies and gentlemen, go look at what the press has been covering up."
"What they’re trying to say is I went there for a political mission to kind of get Joe Biden in trouble. Ridiculous, I went there as a lawyer defending his client," Giuliani said. "I got a nice straight case of Ukrainian collusion, and the minute I say 'Biden' the Washington press corps is going to go nuts. They've been covering it up for years."
"These are very important things that have been covered up to protect slimy Joe," Giuliani added. "This is going to get bigger and bigger, and everything I say I can prove. Take me on."
FOX NEWS, JOHN ROBERTS: Interactions between President Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and the president of Ukraine are under scrutiny following reports of a whistle-blower complaint, claiming that the president urged the Ukrainian to investigate the son of former Vice President Joe Biden, potentially influencing the 2020 race. Joining me here live in Washington to talk more about this is Mr. Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.
Rudy, welcome back to "FOX News Sunday."
RUDY GIULIANI, ATTORNEY FOR PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: How are you? How are you, John?
ROBERTS: I'm good. Thanks for joining us.
Let's clear something up, first of all.
ROBERTS: Let's dial the clock back to Thursday, play this exchange between you and Chris Cuomo on CNN, in which you appeared to at first say you didn't ask Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and/or his son, and then you seemed to change her mind.
ROBERTS: Listen. Listen here.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN: Did you to ask the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden?
Actually, I didn't.
CUOMO: You never asked anything about Hunter Biden? You never asked anything about Joe Biden...
GIULIANI: The only thing I asked about Joe Biden...
CUOMO: ... and his role with the prosecutor?
GIULIANI: ... is to get to the bottom of how it was that Lutsenko, who was appointed...
GIULIANI: ... dismissed the case against AntAC.
CUOMO: So, you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden?
GIULIANI: Of course I did.
CUOMO: You just said you didn't.
ROBERTS: All right, so which is it? Did you ask the Ukraine -- did you ask the Ukraine -- did you ask Ukraine to look into it or not?
GIULIANI: I clarified it immediately.
ROBERTS: All right.
GIULIANI: He said to me, did you ever talk about Joe Biden? I said no. Then I said, I did say that you should investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
The no was obviously wrong. I corrected it immediately.
I corrected it before he corrected it.
The reality is, the distinction is this. What they are trying to say is, I went there for a political mission to kind of get Joe Biden in trouble.
I went there as a lawyer defending his client. I -- I have known about this for five months. I have been trying to get people to cover this for five months. So, I knew it would be very, very hard to get this out.
And what I'm talking about, this, it's Ukrainian collusion, which was large, significant, and proven with Hillary Clinton, with the Democratic National Committee, a woman named Chalupa, with the ambassador, with an FBI agent who's now been hired by George Soros who was funding a lot of it.
When Biden got the prosecutor fired, the new prosecutor, who Biden approved -- you don't get to approve a prosecutor in a foreign country, unless something fishy is going on.
The new prosecutor dropped the case, not just on Biden's kid and the crooked company that Biden's kid work for, Burisma. That was done as a matter of record in October of 2016, after the guy got tanked.
He also dropped the case on George Soros' company called AntAC. AntAC is the company where there's documentary evidence that they were producing false information about Trump, about Biden. Fusion GPS was there.
Go back and listen to Nellie Ohr's testimony. Nellie Ohr says that there was a lot of contract between Democrats and the Ukraine.
Well, I have all the contacts. And, John, when the rest of this comes out, and when you look at China and the $1.5 billion that the -- that the Biden family took out of China while that guy was negotiating for us, this will be a lot bigger than Spiro Agnew.
They have fallen into a trap.
ROBERTS: So, you went over there to investigate alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election?
GIULIANI: Yes. And if I can't do that, I can't defend a client.
ROBERTS: All right, so when did this morph into an investigation of Joe Biden and Hunter Biden?
And is it appropriate for you, as a representative of the president, to be going to Ukraine and finding dirt on Joe Biden and/or his son to use politically in 2020?
GIULIANI: Well, that's the way you characterize it. It's certainly appropriate...
ROBERTS: That's the way it appears to line up.
GIULIANI: No, it doesn't.
ROBERTS: You went there for one thing, you found out something else, and that's what you have been digging on this.
GIULIANI: That's the way the pro-Biden media lines it up.
This began with someone coming to me saying, this information can clear your client about the corruption in Ukraine between the Ukraine, the Democratic Party, the ambassador, and the FBI agent who investigated the case.
ROBERTS: But it then -- but then it morphs into Biden.
GIULIANI: And -- inextricably combined, because Biden had the guy fired, Shokin.
By the way, his statement is on record. The lazy press could go read it. They don't have to listen to me. There are three videotapes of prosecutors on record, available on here, that nobody has covered for five months, because this town protects Joe Biden.
His family has been taking money from his public office for years, $1.5 billion from China, when our vice president is supposed to be impartially and independently negotiating for us? And the kid, he takes him on Air Force Two to China, and the kid...
ROBERTS: That was in 2013.
And the kid, unfortunately, is a drug addict. China didn't give $1.5 billion to his kid, Biden's kid, a recovering drug addict, Kerry's stepson, and Whitey Bulger's nephew.
Ladies and gentlemen, go look at what the press has been covering up on you. Can you imagine...
ROBERTS: This is a company called Rosemont Seneca.
Let me just -- let me just come back, if I could.
GIULIANI: You got to stop for a second.
Whitey Bulger's nephew?
ROBERTS: Let me just stop for a second.
GIULIANI: One-point-five billion coming from China, when our vice president...
ROBERTS: Mr. Mayor...
GIULIANI: That doesn't shock you?
ROBERTS: ... let me stop for a second, because...
GIULIANI: I mean, how far have we deteriorated?
ROBERTS: Let me stop for a second, because we are throwing around a lot of Ukrainian names that people don't know about.
GIULIANI: Well, that's because nobody would ever cover this.
ROBERTS: Viktor Shokin was a prosecutor back when Biden was the vice president.
He was looking into Burisma Holdings...
ROBERTS: ... of which Hunter Biden was on the board of directors.
ROBERTS: There were some allegations that there was some monkey business going on with Burisma.
ROBERTS: Joe Biden -- Joe Biden -- Joe Biden went over to Ukraine in 2016...
ROBERTS: ... and said that, I'm going to withhold more than a billion dollars in loan guarantees unless you fire this prosecutor.
Joe Biden talked about that in 2018. Let's roll that.
JOSEPH BIDEN (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting the billion dollars. I said, you're not getting the billion. I'm going to be leaving here. And I think it was, what, six hours. I look at it. I said, we're leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.
ROBERTS: But Shokin had been heavily criticized for corruption.
And it was the United States and a number of other Western countries who said...
GIULIANI: So is everybody in the Ukraine.
ROBERTS: ... he needs to go.
GIULIANI: More relevant...
ROBERTS: So, was this tied to Hunter Biden, or was this the United States saying, you have got a bad actor there, because he was accused of corruption in his office? And other countries in the West were saying he needs to go as well.
GIULIANI: What does it matter, if the -- if the son is under investigation? He didn't disclose that.
Doesn't the thing strike you? I mean, it is so warped. Doesn't it strike you as strange that he would tell that story and not mention to you that his son's company was the major defendant in the investigation, the guy who was carrying on?
Do you -- I happen to know -- and I have seen the records -- do you know why he was fired? Do you know how the kid was paid? Three million dollars goes from Ukraine to Cyprus -- I'm sorry -- Ukraine to Latvia, Latvia to Cyprus, Cyprus to Rosemont Seneca.
I have seen each one of the wires.
When that prosecutor, Shokin, subpoenaed Cyprus, he got a response. I have the record. They gave him all the information, but two people, Hunter Biden and John Kerry's stepson -- I'm sorry -- John Kerry's speechwriter, who was the best friend of his stepson.
ROBERTS: The prosecutor who followed..
GIULIANI: When that happened, Joe Biden knew that they were zeroing in on Hunter.
And he went over there and he got him fired. And the next day, people showed up. And they started on getting the case for the kid dismissed, as well as the case for Soros. And that's what brings me into it.
ROBERTS: Now, the prosecutor -- the prosecutor...
GIULIANI: No, you got to let me finish.
GIULIANI: He said, I went there to get dirt on Joe Biden.
Do you know, when I found out about Joe Biden, do know what I told my colleague? They are going to cover this up.
Too bad Biden is involved in this. I got a nice straight case of Ukrainian collusion. The minute I say Biden, that Washington press corps is going to go nuts. They have been covering up for years, China, plagiarism.
ROBERTS: OK. OK. All right.
Now you're straying into areas of opinion, as opposed to fact.
GIULIANI: No, I'm not. I'm straying into what is wrong with us today and the unfairness.
ROBERTS: We need to point out -- we need to point out that Yuriy Lutsenko, who was the prosecutor who was appointed after Shokin was fire...
GIULIANI: Approved by...
ROBERTS: ... resurrected, reanimated the case, and found that Hunter Biden was, in fact, paid millions of dollars.
But Lutsenko said that the board of Burisma was able to pay a board member whatever they wanted, and he didn't see anything wrong with that.
GIULIANI: John, how is the coverage so distorted?
ROBERTS: I'm just pointing out a fact.
GIULIANI: If you did any work, you would find out Lutsenko is the prosecutor that Biden put in.
There's a newspaper article in which Biden approves Lutsenko when he's appointed. Doesn't that strike you as odd, that the vice president would approve a particular prosecutor?
Did you ever bother to look?
ROBERTS: One other point we need to make here before we go.
GIULIANI: No, no, no, I want answer another question unless you let me finish. This is really unfair.
These are very important things that have been covered up for years to protect slimy Joe.
The reality is that there are three other prosecutors where all you have to do is go online, three others, that say that this was done precisely to get rid of Biden, to cover up Hunter, and to cover up Soros.
I will give you their names. One of them is Kulik, Konstantin Kulik. The other is Shokin himself. And the third one is a prosecutor by the name of Inazdir.
They are present officials. Three of them were officials. One is still an official of the Ukrainian government.
If you bothered to look, you could listen to them on tape telling you that. Now, they may all be lying, but Lutsenko may be lying also. But it's 3-1.
ROBERTS: One more point we got to make.
GIULIANI: And Lutsenko is Biden's chosen prosecutor.
ROBERTS: OK. You have made your point.
One more point to make we need to make.
GIULIANI: You will also find there is a great deal of suspicion.
ROBERTS: Yes, Joe Biden yesterday told our Peter -- Joe Biden told our Peter Doocy yesterday that he never discussed overseas business with his son Hunter.
GIULIANI: Do you believe that?
ROBERTS: I don't know. Do you believe that?
GIULIANI: I'm flying my son to China. How long is the flight to China?
ROBERTS: It’s a while.
GIULIANI: Fifteen hours, 16 hours, 17?
I'm flying my son to China on Air Force Two. I'm going to negotiate with the Chinese to help America. My son is going there to negotiate to help the Biden family.
When he comes back, and eight days later, the kid gets a billion dollars in his ridiculous private equity fund run by a recovering drug addict, somebody connected to the vice president of the United States and somebody connected to the biggest gangster in America.
Wait a second. The son doesn't say to him, I got a billion dollars? By the way, you see what Joe said? It's contradicted by the son. The son said, I talked to my father about it.
How about this? There was an article on December 9 of 2015 in "The New York Times" raising holy hell about Biden's son being on the board of the most corrupt company in Ukraine and how strange it looked.
I don't know if Joe reads the newspapers, but somebody must have read that to him.
And, finally, if Joe didn't know what his son was doing abroad, how may conflicts are there? This guy was flying blind? I don't know. Did he get money from Russia? Did he get money from Cuba? Was he doing business in Venezuela?
You're telling me that the vice president of the United States was there for eight years. His son is going around the world taking millions from some adversary of the United States.
GIULIANI: Don't say yes. This is important.
ROBERTS: No, no, we have -- I'm saying we have got to go.
GIULIANI: This is about the only time I have gotten to point out a tremendously large scandal that affects the American people.
And it's your job to do it, not just mine. I'm doing it to defend my client.
ROBERTS: We are out of time.
GIULIANI: But you're telling me that he had no system with his son to check on conflicts? So we know of two.
We know there's a big conflict with Ukraine. We know there is a big conflict with China. Since Joe says and is apparently selling the swamp media on the fact that he didn't know, well, Joe, how many more conflicts are there? Venezuela? Cuba?
ROBERTS: You have mentioned that.
We have got to leave it. Mr. Mayor, we are...
GIULIANI: One-point-five billion is enough for most people to get investigated.
ROBERTS: We are out of time for this morning, but, clearly, we are going to keep looking into this.
GIULIANI: And this is going to get bigger and bigger. And everything I say, I can prove.