Marianne Williamson: Warren And Sanders Changed My Mind About Medicare For All During Debate


Following Tuesday's Democratic presidential debate, candidate Marianne Williamson said that she had her mind changed by Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren's arguments about universal healthcare during the debate. In an interview with "The Young Turks" founder Cenk Uygur in the green room, Williamson said:

MARIANNE WILLIAMSON: When I said what I said [opposing Medicare For All] I felt dirty after I said it. I felt like, you know, I had to say it. The needle really moved for me tonight, because hearing it from them and having to say to myself, 'You're agreeing with John Delaney here, you're really being pulled over here.' I felt like I was going to have people like yourself on my texts like, 'No!' I still have a little question and that little bit, Cenk.

CENK UYGUR, THE YOUNG TURKS: Let's talk about that since we're already mid-conversation about that. So there is this irony that you score so well when you talk against the corporate rule and you did it again tonight, and on the issue of Medicare For All you seem like you're stuck on that one, like you're almost in mid-evolution.

MARIANNE WILLIAMSON: I am, and I think that is the truth of the matter, and I think the needle moved a bit today.

CENK UYGUR: That's really interesting, you think the needle moved for you a little bit when you saw yourself in the middle of the debate agreeing with John Delaney?


CENK UYGUR: That makes you more likely to think about it more and maybe move more towards--

MARIANNE WILLIAMSON: I've heard you. I've heard Elizabeth [Warren]. I've heard Bernie [Sanders]. I also have a lot of people I respect who -- as one friend of mine said, Americans don't like to be told they can't have mustard on their hot dog. I get that too. I've had many hours of conversation about this. You're going to have to give me a little more time but the needle moved for me tonight.

CENK UYGUR: Just so people are clear, because this is really important because a lot of people heard you for a middle position and not for a Medicare For All tonight, but you're leaving the door open to being for Medicare For All in the future?

MARIANNE WILLIAMSON: As I said to you the other day, even Bernie's plan talks about a four-year transition. Rep. Jayapal's plan talks about a two-year transition. The only issue it seems like we're talking about here is whether or not people will be able to keep their private insurance, because there are transitions as well, am I wrong about this?

CENK UYGUR: They do have a transition that gets to Medicare For All, the argument I think you made tonight will sound to people like you don't want to eventually end up there.

MARIANNE WILLIAMSON: Oh God, no. Goodness, I've never been that. No, no, no, that's really depressing that sounded that way.

CENK UYGUR: So what do you view as the role for private insurance eventually?

MARIANNE WILLIAMSON: Eventually they're gone. They perform as greedily as Elizabeth was saying tonight. They take as much money and give as little care as possible, I'm very aware of that.

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