Nadler: Mueller Provides "Substantial Evidence" Crimes Were Committed; "People Don't Read A 448-Page Report"


House Judiciary Committee Chair Jerry Nadler discusses what new info Democrats hope to hear from Robert Mueller.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR:  On Wednesday, former Special Counsel Robert Mueller faces five hours of questioning before two House committees on his investigation of Russian interference in the 2020 campaign and possible obstruction of justice by President Trump. 
Some Democrats are counting on the testimony to convince Americans the House should impeach the president or at least to damage his chances for reelection. 
Joining us now exclusively from New York, the chair of the House Judiciary Committee, Jerry Nadler. 
Mr. Chairman, Robert Mueller has made it clear he doesn't want to testify and he's not going to go beyond what he wrote in his report. 
Take a look. 
ROBERT MUELLER, FORMER SPECIAL COUNSEL:  We chose those words carefully and the work speaks for itself.  And the report is my testimony.  I would not provide information beyond that which is already public in any appearance before Congress. 
WALLACE:  So, why are you putting Mueller and the country through this? 
REP. JERRY NADLER (D-NY):  Well, we want the American people to hear directly from Special Counsel Mueller what his investigation found.  The president and the attorney general and others have spent the last few months systematically lying to the American people about what the investigation found.  They've said they found no collusion, they found no obstruction, that it exonerated a president, all three of those statements are absolute lies. 
It found a great deal of collusion.  It found a great deal of obstruction of justice by the president.  And it found -- pointedly refused to exonerate the president. 
We think it's very important for the American people to hear directly what the facts are because this is a president who was violated the law six ways from Sunday.  If anyone else had been accused of what the report finds the president had done, they would have been indicted.  It's important that we not have a lawless administration and a lawless president.  It's important that the people see where we are at and what we're doing, what were dealing with. 
WALLACE:  I want to -- I want to follow up with what you just said, he's violated the law six ways from Sunday, if he weren’t the president he’d be indicted. 
You've read the 448-page report.  Do you believe the president is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, the marker for impeachment by the House? 
NADLER:  I think there is very substantial -- well, the report presents very substantial evidence that the president is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors and we have to present or -- let Mueller present those facts to the American people and then see where we go from there, because the administration must be held accountable and no president can be -- can be above the law. 
WALLACE:  Your committee though has said -- your committee staff has said that you expected Mueller could be fairly uncooperative, could give yes-or-no answers, could refer when you ask a question about an incident, refer you to a specific page in the report.  Look at page 224 in volume two. 
I understand that you're trying to educate the people, people have said, see the movie, not read the book.  But what if this whole thing ends up being a dud? 
NADLER:  Well, we hope it won't end up being a dud and we’re going to ask specific questions about look at page 344 paragraph two, please read it.  Does that describe obstruction of justice and did you find that the president did that, for example? 
WALLACE:  Meanwhile, Republicans say that they are going to use their time, they get equal time, five minutes along with each of your members, to ask about what they call the corrupt cabal, and that the idea that there was FBI misconduct in launching and then conducting the investigation of the president. 
Isn't there a real chance since what you're asking about is stuff that’s already in the report, they're going to ask about stuff that isn't in the report, that the Republicans could end up getting more out of this hearing than Democrats do? 
NADLER:  Well, I doubt it because the fact is that those charges have been investigated by the inspector general and they’ve been found to be baseless.  They will do --
WALLACE:  Wait, wait, wait -- I mean, forgive me, sir, but they had -- the inspector general hasn't investigated or at least hasn’t come out with his report on the conduct of the Trump investigation. 
NADLER:  Well, the inspector general came out with it -- mostly what they're talking about is the Hillary investigation and the beginning of the Trump investigation.  And we have -- it's been very clear that the Trump investigation was not predicated on the so-called dossier that they are talking about.  There was nothing wrong with the FISA application. 
All the things they’re talking about have been gone through.  The inspector general found that there is nothing wrong with the other half of what they're talking about, which is the Hillary investigation.  He's finishing it. 
If they want to debate, or discuss, I should say, this irrelevancy, let them waste the time, but with before the American people know if the conduct of this president, and what Mueller found about the conduct of this president and where we go from here. 
WALLACE:  Some Democrats, including perhaps you hope that this hearing will breathe new life into the possibility of impeaching the president. 
Here's what the president has to say about that. 
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  How many bites of the apple do you get?  We've gone through 500 witnesses, 2,500 subpoenas.  I'd let them interview my lawyers, I’d let them in -- because I had nothing to do with Russia.  Now, that's come out.  There was no collusion. 
WALLACE:  And, here's what a "Wall Street Journal" poll from earlier this month found: 21 percent say there's enough evidence for Congress to begin impeachment hearings, 27 percent say Congress should continue investigating, but 50 percent say there should be no hearings and that Mr. Trump should finish his term as president. 
Chairman, hasn't the country largely moved on from the Trump investigation? 
NADLER:  No, the country has not moved on.  I mean, they’ve -- the president, the attorney general, have lied to the American people about what was in the Mueller report, about the fact that you just heard the president saying they found no collusion.  That was not true.  That it found no obstruction, that is not true. 
And they’ve had months about lying to the American people, people don't read a 448-page report.  I believe that when people hear what was in the Mueller report, then we’ll be able -- we’ll be in a position to begin holding the president accountable and to make this less of a lawless administration.  And the fact of the matter is that the president has also been lawless in telling all witnesses not to obey congressional subpoenas, not to testify at all and that is beyond the pale of the Constitution. 

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