MSNBC Panel: Judiciary Committee's Mueller Hearing Has No "Fact Witnesses," "It Is Theater"


MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell hosts a panel discussion with Barbara McQuaid, Elliott Williams, and NBC's Heidi Przybyla about the House Judiciary Committee's "Lessons from the Mueller Report: Presidential Obstruction and Other Crimes" hearing Monday afternoon. McQuaid, an NBC News contributor, is one of the witnesses at the hearing today.

BARBARA MCQUAID, NBC NEWS: Obviously, today we are not really hearing from fact witnesses who can explain what happened. I hope to be helpful in explaining the law of obstruction of justice, about how attempts matter, about how obstruction of justice is a crime even if no underlying crime is proven and to maybe breathe life into some of the allegations that are included in Robert Mueller's report.

ANDREA MITCHELL, MSNBC: What can John Dean provide? Because the circumstances are different. The law is different in terms of the special prosecutor back then and the independent counsel now. One works for the Justice Department. Back then it was slightly different.

ELLIOTT WILLIAMS: It highlights and brings attention to the wrongdoing and the predicate that the committee is hoping to lay for the investigation.

ANDREA MITCHELL MSNBC: So, this is theater?

ELLIOTT WILLIAMS: To some extent it is theater. Because look, he is not a fact witness. He is not a witness that can testify. He can talk about what is in the Mueller report, but he didn't write it. He didn't gather the evidence, and to some extent -- to some extent his testimony is a little bit limited.

Now, I mean, at the end of the day, what we need to hear from are either the witnesses who provide the background information in the Mueller report or Mueller or a member of his team himself. Now, the committee is doing five more hearings and we need to find out what are those five hearings going to be about. But today will be good. And I think we'll keep focusing our interest around the subject of the report. But you touched on it, Andrea, he is 45 years removed from having the most to say.

(h/t: Grabien)

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