Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Amy Klobuchar shares her stance on abortion and why she’s troubled by the recent abortion bill signed into law in Alabama.
JOY BEHAR: Senator, we've been talking all week about the Alabama abortion ban signed into law Wednesday. There seems to be a big push in many parts of the country to get strict abortion laws on the books. How concerned are you about the possibility of overthrowing Roe v. Wade?
SEN, AMY KLOBUCHAR: Extremely concerned. What these guys are doing is unbelievable -- I say guys because, for instance, the vote in Alabama it was all men that voted for this.
JOY BEHAR: There were two women involved. I saw it online today.
KLOBUCHAR: They're taking us backwards. They basically are criminalizing doctors when they do this. Anyone that's surprised about this should look at what Donald Trump said during the campaign. When he was running back for president, he actually said that women should be punished in a town hall meeting. Then he said doctors should face consequences.
JOY BEHAR: He also said --
AMY KLOBUCHAR: I want to be clear this was a movement he started. That's why this 2020 election is so important. Look at the assault on women's health. It's taking away the right to choose, to taking away planned parenthood to taking away the Affordable Care Act, which means you could be thrown off your health insurance for a pre-existing condition.
JOY BEHAR: If an 11-year-old child is raped a doctor could go for 99 years which is longer than the rapist will get. Let that sink in.
AMY KLOBUCHAR: Exactly because there's no exception for rape or incest in that Alabama law.
JOY BEHAR: Even Pat Robertson said they went too far.
AMY KLOBUCHAR: What is really interesting about this, is whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, we actually saw a decree in abortions over the last, say, ten years during the Obama time period. That's good. Everyone would agree on that. Why? We had contraception more available. We funded Planned Parenthood. The irony of what they're doing, and the tragedy of what they're doing is while they're taking away the women's right to choose, they're also taking away their right to contraception.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: Could I ask a follow-up? For me, I understand what they're saying. But it also looks like Democrats look like they've gone extreme on this issue. It's gone from the party of "safe, legal, and rare," to having a conversation of late-term abortion up to until birth, with the Ralph Northan controversy. Are you for late-term abortion or the moments talked about where you would keep a woman "comfortable" after she gave birth in case she wanted to abort her third [trimester] child?
AMY KLOBUCHAR: I don't know all his comments.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: It got a lot of publicity.
AMY KLOBUCHAR: I'm for women having a right to make their own decisions.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: But you're in favor of late-term abortions. Third term abortion?
JOY BEHAR: Meghan, it's so rare.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: This is a conversation that is happening everywhere and you're running for president.
AMY KLOBUCHAR: The real conversation is what they're doing in Alabama and Georgia and in Missouri. They're taking away --
MEGHAN MCCAIN: It's a cultural conversation about third term as well.
JOY BEHAR: It's based on a lie.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: It's not.
JOY BEHAR: Yes, it is.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: I don't think it's that hard to say I'm not that hard to say, "I'm not for late-term abortion."
JOY BEHAR: It's never done because the woman wants to abort the baby, it is done for health reasons.
SUNNY HOSTIN: I think that argument has been debunked.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: It has not. It has not.
ANA NAVARRO: The problem for me the trying to fit everything into this label of pro-choice or pro-life. I said the other day it's a lot more nuanced. For example, is taking the Plan B something against life. Is having an exemption for an 11-year-old girl who is raped and gets pregnant not being pro-life. It's not -- to me it's not as black and white.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: I think late-term abortion is black and white. Do you believe in third term abortion or not?
ANA NAVARRO: I was reading yesterday about a woman who was raped when she was 17 years old it is at HuffPost if you want to read it. She didn't find out she was pregnant until she was eight months pregnant. There are women who don't find out. Then she found out she was carrying a baby with hydrocephalus who was born and spent a year in great pain and died. That's not my choice to make for her.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: 50% of the population is pro-life, 50% is pro-choice.
JOY BEHAR: Please let her speak.
AMY KLOBUCHAR: 72% of the population don't think we should overturn Roe v Wade.
MEGHAN MCCAIN: That's not what I'm talking about.
AMY KLOBUCHAR: No, but that includes people that might make a personal decision not to have an abortion. That's their personal views. They don't think their views should influence other people's views. That's what we're talking about here. They have taken this so far any discussion about the nuances, that's not where we are. These guys are setting this up, using women as political pawns to go to the Supreme Court. It makes it more important for anyone that cares about families' rights to make their own decisions, this 2020 election couldn't be more important.