NPR's Joshua Johnson: If You Still Need More Information From Mueller, What Game Are You Playing?

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NBC News contributor and host of "1A" on NPR Joshua Johnson discusses the possibility of a Trump impeachment with Chuck Todd on NBC's "Meet the Press" roundtable.

In response to equivocation from Democratic 2020 candidates about pursuing impeachment, Johnson said: "You've got a ream of paper from Bob Mueller... That prosecutors didn't have enough legal basis to press charges for constitutional and legal reasons, the president is not exonerated from wrongdoing, and the power now lies with Congress, vis-a-vis the people, to do something... If you need more information to know whether you're in or out, what game are you playing?"





"I'm not saying what the outcome should be," he noted. "But at a certain point, you know, the light's green. Are you going to go or pull over?"

CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS: Joshua, it's interesting there, Kamala Harris says I want to hear from Bob Mueller, it's like -- first it was the report. What more do you need from Bob Mueller?

JASON, NPR: You've got a ream of paper from Bob Mueller. Redacted, I know, redacted. But here's the thing -- we've heard enough. Like enough. Can we just do the "TV Guide" version of this? If they can summarize an episode of "Game of Thrones" before every show, we can do the report. The report says the President of the United States engaged in behavior that, per one commentator, you could say is "lawful but awful."

That prosecutors didn't have enough legal basis to press charges for constitutional and legal reasons, the president is not exonerated from wrongdoing, and the power now lies with Congress, vis-a-vis the people, to do something. That is the "TV Guide" summary of what happened.

If you need more information to know whether you're in or out, what game are you playing? Now, I'm not saying what the outcome should be. But at a certain point, you know, the light's green. Are you going to go or pull over?

CHUCK TODD: Well, Mueller's grandkids still haven't testified yet.

JOHNSON: Exactly. And I think part of the --

AMY WALTER, NPR: There is going to be -- there is this desire to have the "a ha!" moment, to have that Jack Nicholson "I ordered the code red." That's never going to happen. It's never going to happen. Bob Mueller's not going to say who ordered the code red.

JOHNSON: But that's the value of the interview you just gave. I know the interview with Rudy Giuliani felt like a rabbit hole, but I think it's the power of it. Because it allows the president leading into 2020 to still have a foil. Remember what Rudy Giuliani said, wouldn't you be upset, too, if someone who tried to frame you, and that I think is part of the political power of Donald Trump. Having a foil in D.C. gives the president something to talk about in the 2020 election.

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