Former Secretary of State John Kerry and Rep. Thomas Massie sniped at each other Tuesday during a House Oversight hearing on climate change, with the Kentucky Republican calling Kerry's political science degree "a pseudoscience degree" and Kerry calling the hearing a "kangaroo committee."
"This is just not a serious conversation," Kerry said when Massie asked how many parts per million of CO2 were in the atmosphere during the Ice Age.
Have you noticed that the scientists who feel most qualified to weigh in on climate science are political scientists? 😉#sassywithmassie— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 10, 2019
REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Let me read your statement back to you: "Instead of convening a kangaroo court, the president might want to talk with the educated adults he once trusted to fill his top national security positions."
It sounds like you're questioning the credentials of the president's advisors? But i don't think we should question your credentials today/ Isn't it true you have a science degree from Yale?
JOHN KERRY: Bachelor of Arts degree.
MASSIE: Is it a political science degree?
KERRY: Yes, political science. My regret.
MASSIE: How do you get a bachelor of arts in a science?
KERRY: Well, it’s liberal arts education and degree -- it’s a bachelor.
MASSIE: OK, so it’s not really science. So, I think it’s somewhat appropriate that somebody with a pseudoscience degree is here pushing pseudoscience in front of our committee today.
KERRY: Are you serious? I mean, this is really seriously happening here?
MASSIE: You know what? It is serious. You’re calling the president’s cabinet a kangaroo court, is that serious?
KERRY: I’m not calling his cabinet a kangaroo court,. I’m calling this committee he’s putting together a kangaroo committee.
MASSIE: Are you saying he doesn’t have educated adults there now?
KERRY: I don’t know who it has yet, because it’s secret. Why would he have to have a secret analysis of climate change?
MASSIE: Let's get back to the science of it--
KERRY: But it is not science. You're not quoting science.
MASSIE: Well, you're the science expert. You got the political science degree. Let me ask you this: What's the consensus on parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere.
KERRY: About 406, 350 being the level that scientists have said is dangerous.
MASSIE: 350 is dangerous. Wow. Are you aware that since mammals have walked the planet, the average [atmospheric carbon dioxide] has been over 1,000 parts per million?
KERRY: Yeah, but we weren’t walking the planet... We now know that definitively, at no point during at least the past 800,000 years, has atmospheric CO2 been as high as it is today...
MASSIE: The reason you chose 800,000 years ago is because for 200 million years before that, it was greater than it is today.”
KERRY: Yeah, but there weren’t human beings. It was a different world, folks. We didn’t have 7 billion people living here.
MASSIE: So how’d it get to 2,000 parts per million if we humans weren’t here?
KERRY: Because there were all kinds of geological events happening on Earth--
MASSIE: Did geology stop when we got on the planet?
KERRY: Mr. Chairman, this is just not a serious conversation.
MASSIE: Your testimony is not serious.