Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) said President Trump and campaign chairman Paul Manafort were "eager" to collude with Russia and there is evidence of a conspiracy to cover it up.
CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC HOST: I'm joined now by Democratic Congressman Eric Swalwell of California and sits in the House intelligence and judiciary committee and Michael Schmidt who broke that story for the "New York Times" last week.
I want to go to the congressman in this thing. Pardon, it's in the President's arsenal, it's one of the weapons he has got. Is he going to use it? He is talking about using it here?
REP. ERIC SWALWELL (D-CA): He is dangling it, which is useful to him right now. Whether he actually follows up and helps Paul Manafort in the end, who knows with this guy, you know.
MATTHEWS: Explain why would dangle it?
SWALWELL: Well, right now, he is dangling it for Manafort who has backed off. Corsi I think also sees --
MATTHEWS: But why is he saying in public for Manafort who is basically in chains --?
SWALWELL: This guy is so exposed.
MATTHEWS: By the way, I can get you out of this.
SWALWELL: He is exposed. It's so obvious that they were eager to collude with Russia. Now we are seeing the evidence that there was a conspiracy to cover up. And he is, you know, playing the last, you know, hands that he has out of desperation.
MATTHEWS: And I think we are getting into the really deep possibility of collusion here, not just obstruction.
SWALWELL: Well, they colluded and they conspired to try and cover it up. Roger Stone is a dirty trickster. There's no reason to believe that he would change his ways when his best pal is running for President and he has information that is about to come that he wouldn't have told Donald Trump. The same intuition that Jill Wine-Banks had about Don Jr. tell his father. The same intuition I and others had that Roger Stone, of course, would have pulled the candidate that he has got the goods.