Kristof: Patriotism Is When Love Of Your Own People Come First, Nationalism Is When Hate Comes First


'New York Times' op-ed columnist Nicholas Kristof uses a Charles de Gaulle quote to knock down President Trump's declaration that he is a nationalist. On Tuesday night, CNN Host Don Lemon argued the president knew exactly what he was doing when he used the "coded language" of nationalism -- he was referring to "white nationalism."

DON LEMON, CNN HOST: So, Nick, you heard the president today defending his label as a nationalist, telling Jim Acosta that he hadn't heard the theory that it's coded language for white nationalism. And yet he admitted last night, right, when he said, I probably shouldn't use this word. I'm not supposed to use that word. Doesn't he know that shows -- that shows that he knows exactly what the word is, and there is some controversy behind it.

NICHOLAS KRISTOF, NEW YORK TIMES: Yeah. I mean in general I think we should give President Trump some capacity to demonstrate obliviousness about words and so on. But in this case the fact that he already alluded to that earlier suggested to me he knew exactly where he was coming from. And, you know, I think of the great de Gaulle quote about nationalism versus patriotism.

LEMON: You want me to read it for new.

KRISTOF: Please do.

LEMON: Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first. Nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.

KRISTOF: Doesn't that kind of capture it?

LEMON: It does.

KRISTOF: We should all be patriots.

LEMON: Those people who are going to -- coming across our border in this caravan with the -- what does he say? Middle Easterners in there.

KRISTOF: You know, it strikes me that throughout history there's been this tension between the statue of liberty ethos of give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, and the know-nothings, and the Chinese Exclusion Acts and I'm afraid that is exactly what is playing out now before these midterms.

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