Carl Bernstein said with the combination of the New York Times anonymous op-ed written by a person claiming to be a "senior" member of the Trump administration and what was published in Bob Woodward's new book, it can be concluded the people closed to President Trump are saying "we much save the country from the president of the United States."
"One of his themes and those of people around him, has been is that there is a deep state conspiracy against President Trump an that theme is being repeated because of this letter in the 'New York Times,' this piece in the New York Times.' But what's really going on here is that Bob Woodward's book, and the contents of what is in the anonymous piece in the "New York Times," is that those closest to the president of the United States are saying, we must save the country from the president of the United States," Bernstein told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Carl, is it possible it actually plays into the president's hands, the notion of that he's surrounded by people who are trying to thwart his will, his agenda?
CARL BERNSTEIN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: Well, it does, or it can, because indeed, one of his themes and those of people around him, has been is that there is a deep state conspiracy against President Trump an that theme is being repeated because of this letter in the "New York Times," this piece in the "New York Times." But what's really going on here is that Bob Woodward's book, and the contents of what is in the anonymous piece in the "New York Times," is that those closest to the president of the United States are saying, we must save the country from the president of the United States.
And, incidentally, people, Republicans in Congress, this is no surprise to them. They have heard this from people around the president of the United States. Mitch McConnell knows this kind of attitude about the danger posed by the president has been expressed to Mitch McConnell by people around the president.
It's the same with Paul Ryan. What we need here are, finally, I think, some hearings on --
congressional hearings, in which an executive session or open session, those around the president of the United States are questioned about the fitness of Donald Trump to be the president of the United States. That's what's at stake here.
What we are talking about is a portrait by numerous people. In Bob Woodward's book, I've read the whole book, you see it so convincingly, in scene after scene after scene.
COOPER: But, Carl, why would anybody tell the truth in front of a --
BERNSTEIN: Pardon me?
COOPER: Why would anybody tell the truth if that is in fact what their opinion is, given all these people have made statements saying, it wasn't me, it wasn't me? Nobody is standing up and saying, oh, yes, I agree with what this anonymous person said. Why would it be any different?
BERNSTEIN: I don't know what would happen. It's important. If you have bipartisan hearings, if the Democrats were to win the house and you have Republicans and Democrats calling these people in, and there might be mixed opinions. There might be some gray areas.
But it is very important for the leadership in the Congress of the United States and the people of the United States to know whether or not Donald Trump is fit to be president, whether he is stable enough to be president, honest enough to be president, and has the capabilities of being president. That is what we are learning this week. The people closest to him have the gravest doubts.
COOPER: But, Gloria, to Carl's point, there's no expressed appetite of Republicans in Congress to --
BORGER: Have you noticed that?
COOPER: -- even talk about this, let alone hold hearings.
BORGER: You know, exactly. And Republicans, as we all know, are whispering about this to each other. There are no profiles in courage up there because Donald Trump has an 80 or 90 percent approval rating with Republicans. It is his party.
The only thing that I can see changing this is an election. And if suddenly --
BERNSTEIN: That's what I was suggesting.