Chuck Todd interviewed Michael Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis earlier on Wednesday and asked if there is any evidence that then-candidate Trump directed Michael Cohen to pay adult film actress Stormy Daniels hush money. Todd asked multiple times if there is any evidence, i.e. corroborating witnesses at the Trump Organization, that would prove Cohen was directed and committed the payoff based on the verbal instruction by Donald Trump other than his own word.
"Do they have evidence that... then-candidate Trump, directed Michael Cohen to do this? other than Michael Cohen's word that the president directed him to do this, do they have other physical evidence that the president directed Michael Cohen?" Todd asked.
Davis said that Team Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani admitted the then-candidate directed Comey to make the payment in an interview. Secondly, there is "physical and electronic evidence" that money was paid to Daniels from the Trump conduit that is "all documented.
Davis eventually relented and said it comes down to Cohen's word versus Trump's.
"Is there any independent evidence that Mr. Trump said to Mr. Cohen you need to do this, I don't want to do this? That may come down to Mr. Cohen's word versus Mr. Trump's," Davis said.
TODD: Can you say that Michael Cohen consulted with anybody else on the campaign other than Mr. Trump?
LANNY DAVIS: Consulted about making those payments?
TODD: Yes, sir.
DAVIS: There were other people involved. Some of them named individual one, individual two from the campaign, some named as people within the Trump Organization without their names attached. There were other people involved in the chain of events.
Just to remind your viewers, it's pretty simple. $130,000 needs to be paid to Miss Daniels. Mr. Trump directed personally him to Mr. Cohen to pay $130,000 and it's all documented by the prosecutors in New York --
TODD: I understand that, but do they have evidence on one specific charge, that President Trump, then-candidate Trump, directed Michael Cohen to do this? Other than Michael Cohen's word that the president directed him to do this, do they have other physical evidence that the president directed Michael Cohen. I understand the physical evidence of the money transfers and all of that. But does he have evidence -- is it more taped conversations? Is that the evidence?
DAVIS: Well, the prosecutors may have evidence they haven't revealed. All I've read is the criminal information in which they state that there are individuals from the Trump campaign and from the Trump Organization who were involved and Mr. Giuliani said, yes, Mr. Trump knew that he had to reimburse Mr. Cohen for the advance made for this payment.
Is there any independent evidence that Mr. Trump said to Mr. Cohen you need to do this, I don't want to do this? That may come down to Mr. Cohen's word versus Mr. Trump's and now we'll have to, now that there is a guilty plea, wait and see if Mr. Trump is willing under oath to say what Mr. Cohen said under oath, which is that he was directed to Mr. Trump to do this.