MSNBC's 'Morning Joe' host discusses President Trump's plan to dismantle the American world order with Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haass.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Of course, the United States is still the United States, but if Donald Trump is going to make it impossible for us to deal with them, China has been working every day for the past 20 years to step into that void.
RICHARD HAASS, CFR: Oh, we are seeing -- one of these rare moments we're actually living in history. Normally you read about history in your high school or college textbook. No. We now have the experience of living in it. What we're seeing is history unfold, the daily bringing about of what people have described, Fareed Zakaria and others, as the post-American world. We are voluntarily giving up our position of advantage, supremacy, creating a level playing field where everybody essentially decides what deals they are going to make. Either they have to defer to more powerful countries like a China or a Russia, rather than being able to depend on a reliable United States, or they simply do what they think is in their own best interests.
What this will be a world that's far messier, far less American influence, stability and ultimately less prosperity for us, but we are -- this is the foreign policy equivalent. Be straight about it. The foreign policy equivalent of "repeal without replace." We're repealing the American-led order that has done I, I think, extraordinarily well for 70 years, and in its place, something much closer to an international free for all.
SCARBOROUGH: Go online and check GDP, compare the United States from '45 until now. The American-led order that Donald Trump is trying to eviscerate, the American-led order that James Mattis tried to explain to him in that meeting and said, 'I don't like it,' at the end. Then-Secretary of State called him an idiot, Tillerson.
That's the American way. People go, New World Order? New World Order? I hate to admit this on TV, but that was the New American order. We have a $19 trillion GDP. The Russians have like about a $2 trillion GDP, and... we've all been focused on Russia for a good reason. Donald Trump kind of makes it impossible not to focus on Russia. But I guarantee you, 50 years from now when historians are looking back they're going to look at Donald Trump's decision to insult Europe. Donald Trump's decision to pull out of TPP. You have to question the wisdom of American politicians in 2016-2018 anyway.