Mark Penn, a veteran of Clinton World, joined Tucker Carlson Thursday night to talk about the "out of control" Mueller probe and the use of "stormtrooper tactics."
"I certainly have some questions about what he was thinking when first he went to apply for the FBI job in the first place with Rosenstein," Penn said of Mueller.
"This thing has gotten out of control," he said of the investigation. "And while he wants to question the president, it seems that no one could really question either Mueller or Comey or Rosenstein, and that is precisely the problem."
Transcript, via FOX News:
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: Mark Penn was for many years one of the highest-level advisors to Hillary Clinton. He's the author of the new book, "Microtrends Squared", he joins us tonight. Mark, thanks a lot for coming on.
MARK PENN, FORMER HILLARY CLINTON CHIEF STRATEGIST: Thank you.
CARLSON: So, you wrote kind of an amazing piece the other day in "The Hill," titled something like, questions I have for Robert Mueller. Tell us some of the questions that if you could ask, you would.
PENN: Well, remember, Tucker, I spent a year working with President Clinton against Ken Starr and that effort.
CARLSON: Well, I remember very well.
PENN: I just find that that was child's play to what's going on here. And I think Mueller has some questions about what the president was thinking when he fired Comey. Well, I certainly have some questions about what he was thinking when first he went to apply for the FBI job in the first place with Rosenstein. And then, turns around the next day, didn't he already have a plan when he turned around.
Boy, when he put that team together, and there wasn't a single Trump donor, what was he thinking then?
And when he looked at these dossiers and discovered that there was no foundation there, how did he deal with that? How does he justify these kinds of really stormtrooper tactics, I think is perhaps not an exaggeration, when you go guns drawn to political consultants, wiretapped all over the place over payments to porn stars?
This thing has gotten out of control. And while he wants to question the president, it seems that no one could really question either Mueller or Comey or Rosenstein, and that is precisely the problem.
CARLSON: Yes. It is the problem. And I hate to admit it since I supported the Ken Starr independent counsel investigation, and I look back in shame because of that. But that was the case that the Clinton people made at the time, there's no oversight here. And that's a huge problem.
And it turns out you were right about that.
In your piece, you made reference to his behavior in Boston when he worked there in the Whitey Bulger case. Briefly summarize that, if you would, because I thought it was really interesting.
PENN: Well, really the question - and I think Professor Dershowitz has really been out on this thing. But in the Bulger case, there were four innocent people in jail due to prosecutorial misconduct. And he was head of the office.
And so, you do not really find him in the legal cases, but that means he waited until the courts overturned things to release the people. And so, what was he thinking when that was happening? How did he permit that? How did he permit these kinds of gross abuses? And how does he then supervise an investigation now that seems to be filled with them?
CARLSON: Mark Penn, again, you have authority on this subject. And so, it's nice to hear from you. Thanks a lot.
PENN: I went through it once. And I hope America doesn't go through it again.
CARLSON: Yes. Hillary never would have allowed this. She's too smart for this. There's no doubt. Thank you.