Former FBI Assistant Director Kallstrom said in an interview Thursday night with FNC's Tucker Carlson there was a conspiracy in the FBI, a "fifth column," to prevent Trump from getting elected and now to hinder his work as president.
"I just think these people are out of control," Kallstrom said of elements in the FBI. "From the very time that Donald Trump was the nominee of the Republican Party, there has been a conspiracy. A fifth column - call it what you want - that has tried to stop him from getting elected and, number two, stop his effective work for the people of this country."
"Look at the magnificent job he's done in the economic front, in the foreign relations front, in a year-and-a-half. In my view, more than the last three presidents combined," Kallstrom said on Tucker Carlson Tonight.
Kallstrom, who was an advocate for expanding wiretapping power, denounced the surveillance of Trump attorney Michael Cohen
"I think it's far-fetched - I'll be corrected if I am wrong - but to see what kind of a predicate they could have possibly had in this case," Kallstrom said of the evidence presented for a judge to approve a wiretap.
"We don't operate like that in the United States," he said. "If I was the head of the FBI, I would have not let the agents participate."
In March, Kallstrom said high-ranking people in government plotted to not have Hillary Clinton indicted so she could remain unscathed in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Kallstrom also said former CIA Director John Brennan is the who committed felonies, not Gen. Mike Flynn in an interview with Fox News' Maria Bartiromo.
"My sources tell me [Brennan] was leaking almost weekly or daily, and he was taking that bunch of phony crap supposedly from Russia, and peddling that through the Congress and the media, he was one of the active people. I've known him a long time and I think he's involved," Kallstrom said in the March interview.
"They are the people who committed felonies, not the General," he said. "They've ruined [Flynn] - and because they threatened his son, you know, they bankrupted this guy that gave his life to this country."
Transcript, via FOX News:
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: James Kallstrom is a former assistant director of the FBI. He joins us tonight.
Mr. Kallstrom, you spent your life at the FBI. You were a very - obviously famous leader at the FBI. When you watch the last years, you watched it unfold, how do you think the bureau is doing?
JAMES KALLSTROM, FORMER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE FBI: The leadership of the bureau and the leadership of the department aren't doing well at all, Tucker. I mean, it's outrageous.
I look back at some records. And during the S&Ls (Savings & Loans) in the 80s and 90s - you remember that - literally thousands of S&Ls that went belly up and a lot of corruption and a lot of criminality.
Not one law firm in the United States - not one law firm was ever served with a search warrant for that whole period of time. And yet, this little four-person or five-person law firm, which just happens to be the law firm of the president of the United States, is attacked by pen registers, by surveillance, by search warrants.
To get a search warrant from a federal judge, in the criminal side, you have to talk about a criminal act that's taking place. A criminal predicate.
And on the national security side, for the FISA judge, you have to talk about the threat to national security and talk about why it's going to be affected negatively in both cases, without these extraordinary measures.
I think it's far-fetched - I'll be corrected if I am wrong - but to see what kind of a predicate they could have possibly had in this case.
CARLSON: Well, so if it turns out that this is really all about a payment to a porn star, and I hate to say it, but let's be honest, it's just not a surprising story. Nobody voting in 2016 is going to be surprised by this.
If it turns out that's really the predicate for this, what do you think of that?
KALLSTROM: And nor is it surprising that Bob Mueller would do something like this.
CARLSON: Why do you say that?
KALLSTROM: Look at the history. Look at how he went into Paul Manafort's 'house and had - 4 o' clock in the morning. Here is a potential, if by worse cases, white collar crime stuff. And you go into a house at 4 or 5 in the morning with weapons shown, you drag a woman out of bed in her nightgown and her children are, I assume, screaming, yelling around the house. I mean, that's what an outrage.
We don't operate like that in the United States. If I was the head of the FBI, I would have not let the agents participate.
Now, this is something that came from Mueller up to the US attorney in New York. And they've apparently put together an affidavit and I guess the FBI was involved with that. And that was presented to a federal judge.
And when you go into a lawyer's office, you've got to be really careful.
And the way it works today, you have really two teams of people. One team goes in and does the search. Another team kind of looks through the material to try to segment out anything that would be privileged.
And in this case, the federal judge who now has control over this case has gone a step further and is turning all that material over to a senior federal judge, Barbara Jones, who is a fantastic judge, a good friend of mine over the years.
And she will decide what the US government gets to see and what the US government doesn't get to see.
CARLSON: Right. But you think - and I should just clear it up for audiences who aren't familiar with your career. I wouldn't describe you as a soft-on-crime liberal at all. But you think based on decade at the FBI that what you're watching now is out of line. There is no precedent for it?
KALLSTROM: Tucker, I don't believe in kicking in doors unless there is a reason for it. And I don't believe having outrageous search warrants unless there is a real bona fide reason. Is there a criminal predicate for this? I'd be surprised if there was. If it is, it's probably some concoction from some stupid intelligence contact.
Or is it a national security predicate? I find that would be preposterous.
I just think these people are out of control. From the very time that Donald Trump was the nominee of the Republican Party, there has been a conspiracy. A fifth column - call it what you want - that has tried to stop him from getting elected and, number two, stop his effective work for the people of this country.
And look at the magnificent job he's done in the economic front, in the foreign relations front, in a year-and-a-half. In my view, more than the last three presidents combined.
CARLSON: I am awestruck that you're saying this because you're not a cable news talking head. And any of our viewers who are not familiar with your career ought to go to Google and look it up.
You speak with authority on this subject. And so, I'm shocked by what you said and saddened, but I believe you because you're believable on this subject.
Mr. Kallstrom, thank you for joining us tonight.
KALLSTROM: My pleasure. No, I don't have the facts, but that's what I think is this situation.