TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT: Tucker takes on a founder of Border Angels over the caravan of migrants heading to the U.S. via the U.S.-Mexican border, Mexico's culpability in aiding and abetting illegal immigrants and why the United States is apparently to blame for illegals crossing the border.
Enrique Morones, a 'border angel,' says America should let them in to atone for its sins.
On the Monday broadcast of his FOX News program, Carlson called Mexico a "hostile power" for allowing people in their country from Central America with the purpose of crossing into the U.S. via our southern border.
Morones complained that there is "no way" for these people to come in legally so they must enter the country illegally. He said U.S. intervention in Central America has caused people to flee and the nation owes them the debt of letting them enter the country.
Carlson also said Morones hates America.
"There's no way for these people to come in legally," Morones said. "And the United States interfering in these countries, the demand for the drugs, invading a sovereign land like Iraq or interfering in the civil wars of Central America, that causes people to flee."
"So, our sins are the reason - so, you hate America is what you're saying. Actually, it's interesting. You are blaming America for illegal immigration into America," Carlson told Morones.
"Central America is part of America. Mexico is part of the America," he responded.
"The United States is a separate country. It's not the same as Honduras actually," Carlson shot back.
"One-third of all Salvadoran citizens already live in the United States. So, at what point can we say we've atoned for our sins in El Salvador?" Carlson asked his guest.
"Stop interfering in the policies of other countries," Morones said. "Stop taking their natural resources. Stop invading the sovereign lands."
Transcript, via FOX News:
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: Enrique Morones is the founder of Border Angels, a pro-immigration group and he joins us tonight. Enrique, thanks for coming on.
ENRIQUE MORONES, BORDER ANGELS FOUNDER: Hey, Tucker.
CARLSON: So, I understand that you are for more immigration into the country, but I can't imagine you would support people walking across Mexico and just showing up, expecting to be let in.
If that were to happen a lot, we would no longer be a country. So, what should we do with these people?
MORONES: Well, Mexico is not a hostile nation, like you mentioned earlier.
CARLSON: Of course, it is.
MORONES: No. Of course, it isn't. And the fact that these people are coming from Central America is the same thing that's been going on since Reagan interfered in the Central American policies in the late 70s and 80s.
These are people that are escaping violence, escaping hunger. They are looking for refuge. And they are trying to come into the country.
When you have a border patrol spokesman like Chris Harris encouraging them to come, telling them just show up at the border and say asylum and you're going to get in, that's a lie. That's not the way it works and it causes these people to flee.
They are crossing - they think they're going to able to get in. Most will not be getting in.
CARLSON: I'm not really sure why - I don't know why you would feel an obligation to defend the Government of Mexico, which is abetting illegal immigration into our country, which has been - literally for years, which has trained people explicitly with documents that we have on how to get into this country illegally.
I don't know why you would be flacking for them? I don't know what it's in it for you exactly. But let's stop lying about it. Mexico can stop this right now. Mexico is a very long country. It's a long way from Honduras to Tijuana. They could stop this, but they are not. This is an act of hostility.
The thing is that we allow people to be able to travel freely within the country as a lot of countries do in the world. And I will defend Mexico because you are lying.
Why don't you show me a document where the Mexican government is training people, like you just said, to cross into the United States? The Mexican government isn't doing that.
Are there people doing that? There may be.
CARLSON: Really? I'm sorry. I win with superior knowledge here.
MORONES: No, that's not true. Superior arrogance. I mean, I know you're from San Diego -
CARLSON: Oh, OK. You win. Right, OK. The Mexican government has given instructions to people - I've seen them with my own eyes - on how to get across the border.
MORONES: OK. Then show the video of that.
CARLSON: Hold on.
MORONES: Show the video.
CARLSON: This group of people could be stopped anytime by the Mexican government, which again you feel the need to make apologies for, but they detain people all the time in their country from Central America, as you know, but they are not detaining these people because they say they are going "Del Norte". So, they're a hostile power.
But why should we have to accept anybody who comes here? Most people aren't coming to the United States. Most undocumented people go elsewhere. They have no desire to come here.
MORONES: Of the 250 million undocumented people in the world today, the United States has 11 million. And that flow has shifted dramatically -
CARLSON: But why should we take any? No, but you're missing it. Why should we take any? There are a lot of people who want to come here legally.
MORONES: The empathy. There's no way for these people to come in legally. And the United States interfering in these countries, the demand for the drugs, invading a sovereign land like Iraq or interfering in the civil wars of Central America, that causes people to flee.
CARLSON: So, our sins are the reason - so, you hate America is what you're saying. Actually, it's interesting. You are blaming America for illegal immigration into America.
MORONES: Central America is part of America. Mexico is part of the America.
CARLSON: The United States is a separate country. It's not the same as Honduras actually.
MORONES: That's right.
CARLSON: One-third of all Salvadoran citizens already live in the United States. So, at what point can we say we've atoned for our sins in El Salvador?
MORONES: Stop interfering in the policies of other countries. Stop taking their natural resources. Stop invading the sovereign lands.
CARLSON: Are we taking the natural resources of Honduras right now?
MORONES: Remember, I mean, that guy, he's an embarrassment to the world. He says they are coming for DACA. DACA ended - people had to have been here by 2012. Donald Trump doesn't know what he's talking about.
CARLSON: I'm not asking your opinions on Trump. I'm not interested. I'm asking what policies - hold on, the policies that affect all of us as Americans. Then, you are saying that Hondurans have a right to come here because we take the natural resources of Honduras somehow? Can you be a lot more specific?
MORONES: Absolutely. The invasion of the United States of sovereign lands, whether it was the interference in Central America with the Reagan administration -
CARLSON: What did we do to Honduras?
MORONES: Have you heard of Iran Contra? Have you heard of the fact that the United States is the number one consumer of natural resources from other countries?
CARLSON: In Honduras? So, these people are coming here to punish us for bad things we did in Honduras? Are you representative of people on the left? Is everybody this dumb? What are you talking about?
MORONES: When they invade sovereign lands, when they take from sovereign lands, they should be a more welcoming nation and they are not. There's no legal way for the people to come in. They're desperate. People are crossing borders all over the world.
CARLSON: I just want to have a rational conversation.
MORONES: Yes, we should have one.
CARLSON: All right. OK. Get back to me when you can explain what we did to Honduras to deserve this. Thanks, Enrique.