Dem Rep. Himes: Nobody Wants To Take Away Guns, We Just Want To Be Like Australia, Canada & Great Britain


Rep. Jim Himes (D-CT) appeared on CNN Monday morning to push for more gun control laws. He said just because people are going to commit crimes doesn't mean we shouldn't pass laws. He also praised gun laws in nations like Canada, Australia, and Great Britain.

"I mean, think about the point: well, OK, just because people are going to commit murder or just because they're going to, you know, commit larceny, gosh, that we shouldn't pass those laws. Of course we should," Himes said.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN: So listen, I mean, the students couldn't say it any better. But when you hear what Senator Rubio said right, I mean, in the hours after this school shooting, he said basically -- well, I'll just let -- I'll just let him say it. I won't even quote it. Here's what he said right after that on Thursday.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: If someone has decided, "I'm going to commit this crime," they'll find a way to get the gun to do it. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have is a law that makes it harder. It just means understand, to be honest, it isn't going to stop this from happening. You could still pass the law, per se, but you're still going to have these horrible attacks.


CAMEROTA: He thinks that a law wouldn't stop it from happening. What do you say to that?

REP. JIM HIMES (D-CT): Well, I mean, it's just one of the many absurdities we hear from those people like Marco Rubio, like the speaker of the House, who was in Florida last week and didn't bother to stop by and hear from people who suffered this tragedy. It's one of the many, many absurdities.

I mean, think about the point: well, OK, just because people are going to commit murder or just because they're going to, you know, commit larceny, gosh, that we shouldn't pass those laws. Of course we should.

And Alisyn, what makes -- what makes this particularly tragic is that there's things that we could do that have, you know, three-quarters to 90 percent of the American public behind them, things like universal background checks. Just making sure you can't buy a gun unless you've had a check. Making sure that nobody has access to a 20-round magazine. I could go on and on and on.

But the point is, for guys like Marco Rubio, it's muscle memory. Because they know that if they change their tune, that they will have to deal with the NRA.

And that's why, you know, young men like Cameron, who just spoke on your air, make me feel so good. You know, young people now standing up and joining adults who have been banging this drum for a very long time. I don't know if it's going to make a difference. But Congress is a very, very hard place. But getting more people involved will eventually force people out of sheer shame like Marco Rubio to start addressing this issue.

CAMEROTA: And listen, I mean, obviously, this is a very emotional issue. But if you put the emotions aside somehow, if you can, the facts don't support what Marco Rubio was saying.

Look at Connecticut. I mean, after Connecticut -- I don't have to tell you, that's your state -- after Newtown, everybody thought things would change. Congress couldn't figure out how to do it. So your state of Connecticut did it on its own. And when they passed more strict gun laws, gun deaths went down in Connecticut. There's a direct correlation. Why don't -- why don't some senators realize that?

HIMES: Well, the facts are incontrovertible here. And I mean, there's just example after example.

You know, in the 1990s when there was a brutal mass killing in Australia, you know, Australia passed laws that made it much harder to get your hands on weapons of war like the AR-15, which was used in this and so many other school killings. And they haven't had any other since then, since the mid-'90s have they had this sort of thing in Australia.

So the problem is people like Marco Rubio, and Speaker Ryan, and sad to say, most Republicans in Congress, and to be fair, a few Democrats, they can't allow the conversation to go to facts. This why the NRA puts up videos to try to scare Americans. They go to emotions; they go to fear. You know, people want to take away your guns.

Nobody wants to take away people's guns. We just don't want to be any different than Canada, or Australia, or Great Britain where you can get guns; you just get checked out. You can't get weapons of war. They have reasonable, yes, mental health systems that allow for the identification of people like the shooter at -- in Sandy Hook or this individual in Florida. There is a lot that we could do that would bring this to a close.

The problem is that people like Marco Rubio and Speaker Ryan will not allow that conversation to happen, because it will cut off the flow of money from the NRA and groups like it that are funding these guys to -- precisely to stop any meaningful change on gun safety.

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