Thursday morning on CNN, 'New Day' anchor Alisyn Camerota debated Arthur Jones, a self-described "national socialist" who is running unopposed for Congress in the Republican primary in Illinois' 3rd district. The district includes west and southwest suburbs of Chicago and has voted reliably Democrat for a generation, so there is no chance of him making it to Washington.
"Mr. Jones...Are you a Nazi?" Camerota asked at the start of the epically bad interview.
“Well for the past 15, 20 years, I have not had anything to do with any national socialist organization on a formal basis. I don’t call myself a Nazi. I call myself an American patriot and statesman," Jones declared.
"You dress in Nazi garb and you celebrate Hitler's birthday," Camerota explained. "You’re a Nazi."
"I do not belong to any formal national socialist organization anymore. I haven’t belonged to [the American Nazi Party] since about 1990," Jones said. "The only organization that I belong to is my own organization, and that is the America First committee."
Jones proceeded to explain how the "two-party, Jew-party system" controls America and starts wars for Israel, and how the holocaust is an "extortion racket." "I can't help it if you don't want to accept the truth," Jones said.
"Yes, I deny the Holocaust," Jones explained. "It is an extortion racket, pure and simple. If you did an honest investigation of the Holocaust, you'd realize it is nothing but an international extortion racket by the Jews... to suck us into one war after another in the Mideast."
"Not conspiracy theories, the facts," Jones said of his claims. "Jews control, basically, the country, the media, the Congress, the economy."
"It's a scam," he repeated on the subject of the Holocaust, holding up unreadable documents.
"Here’s the good news," Camerota remarked later. "You have a long track record of losing. You lose virtually everything that you run for. You’ve run for Congress and you’ve lost, for mayor, for alderman. And we’re not in the business of predicting of predicting the news but I can say that you will lose this race."
"Chances are, you’ll go down in flames," she concluded.
Transcript, via CNN:
ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN: A former leader of the American Nazi Party is running for Congress in Illinois. As the only Republican on the ticket, it looks like he is about to win the primary next month.
His name is Arthur Jones. He has never disavowed his Nazi views. Here is what Jones said at a rally in Kentucky last April, and we want to warn all of you that the language you're about to hear in this segment is offensive.
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ARTHUR JONES (R), UNCONTESTED GOP CANDIDATE FOR ILLINOIS THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, LEADER, AMERICA FIRST COMMITTEE, FORMER LEADER, AMERICAN NAZI PARTY: The white majority are fed up with all of these lying, cheating, thieving, warmongering, child-molesting political pimps and whores of this corrupt and decadent two-party, Jew-party, queer-party system.
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CAMEROTA: Arthur Jones, that Republican candidate for Illinois' third district, joins us now.
Mr. Jones, it is shocking to hear how vocally and unapologetically racist you are. Are you a Nazi?
JONES: Well, for the past 15-20 years I have not had anything to do with any national socialist organization on a formal basis.
CAMEROTA: But do you call yourself a Nazi?
JONES: I did have a -- I don't call myself a Nazi. I call myself an American patriot and statesman.
CAMEROTA: OK. Well, let me give our viewers --
CAMEROTA: -- some details about this just so they can decide for themselves.
You've been part of anti-Semitic groups since the 1970s. You go to neo-Nazi rallies -- we have pictures of you there. You are -- were part of the White People's Party. You dress in Nazi garb and you celebrate Hitler's birthday.
You're a Nazi.
JONES: Well, I do not belong to any formal national socialist organization anymore and I haven't belonged to one since about 1990, OK? The only organization that I belong to is my own organization and that's the America First Committee.
CAMEROTA: Yes. You can call it whatever you want, Mr. Jones, but your Website is filled with the most vile, rancid rhetoric I think I've ever read.
JONES: I disagree with you. It's not vile and rancid, it's the truth.
CAMEROTA: It is?
JONES: There's nothing on that Website that's not true.
CAMEROTA: Mr. --
JONES: I personally put that stuff on there.
CAMEROTA: Yes. JONES: I personally picked out the articles on there because they're true. Now, I can't help it if you won't --
CAMEROTA: That's really troubling.
JONES: -- accept the truth.
CAMEROTA: Listen, it is so --
JONES: I can't help it if you don't want to accept the truth. You Jews (ph) media, you've gone absolutely nuts. You think that Adolph Hitler's revived from the grave or something.
JONES: There's one man -- one man, myself, that's standing for the truth --
JONES: -- and the news media can't stand that.
CAMEROTA: Mr. Jones, what I can't stand if your vile rhetoric and your --
JONES: The Democrats and the Republicans are the cursed, two-party, Jew-party, queer-party system -- can't stand it.
CAMEROTA: -- language. And the fact that you deny the holocaust. You are entitled to your --
JONES: Yes, I deny the holocaust. It's an extortion racket, pure and simple.
CAMEROTA: Listen, Mr. -- you are entitled to your own crackpot theory.
JONES: If you did any investigation -- if you did an honest -- if you did any honest investigation of the holocaust you'd realize that it is nothing but an international extortion racket by the Jews to bleed (ph), blackmail, extort, and terrorize their enemies.
CAMEROTA: Yes. Here --
JONES: And to suck us into one war after another in the Mideast.
CAMEROTA: Yes, I've heard this --
JONES: I am not campaigning as a national socialist. I campaign as a Republican.
JONES: I campaign on the one issue that's on everybody's mind and that's to avoid war in the Middle East.
JONES: We need more wars --
JONES: No, we don't need more wars.
CAMEROTA: Fine, I understand.
JONES: We need more jobs.
CAMEROTA: And you call the -- you call -- well, I don't even want to quote you.
But here's the deal. Here -- you can have your own conspiracy theories but you can't have your own facts. And, Mr. Jones, six million Jews were killed. Adolph Hitler --
JONES: Not conspiracy theory, it's a fact. The Jews controlled basically the country, the economy -- the economy, the media --
CAMEROTA: -- perpetrated a genocide. The Auschwitz death camp existed and the Nuremberg trial happened.
CAMEROTA: Those are the facts, sir.
JONES: It's poppycock. It's a --
CAMEROTA: Either way, here's the larger point.
JONES: It's a scam. Here -- here --
CAMEROTA: Fine. You're on the record.
JONES: Here is -- here is -- here -- here is forged records, ma'am. Forged records --
CAMEROTA: You said that you don't believe the holocaust.
JONES: -- of a holocaust survivor to get special social security benefits.
CAMEROTA: Well, I'm glad that you're pinning --
JONES: Forged records.
CAMEROTA: -- all of your position and platform --
JONES: This comes from -- this comes from --
CAMEROTA: -- on that piece of paper.
JONES: This comes from Congressman -- former Congressman Bill Lipinski -- CAMEROTA: Yes.
JONES: -- OK -- acknowledging --
CAMEROTA: Mr. Jones, listen, you've been doing this for decades.
JONES: -- a forged record was used to give them special social security benefits.
CAMEROTA: You're steeped in this kind of crazy crackpot theory, but here's the larger point.
How do you think that you are going to represent the people of Illinois in this district? You have 700,000 people in your district. Seven thousand of them are Jews. How you plan to serve them as a public servant?
JONES: And a handful of them are Jew (INAUDIBLE) but the overwhelming majority are white, Christian patriots. And I might add, black Christian patriots, Latino Christian patriots. They don't want any more wars in the Middle East.
CAMEROTA: Yes. So it's just the Jews that you don't like.
JONES: And the Israeli lobby -- the Israeli lobby controls the Congress of the United States and have sucked us into one war after another, and that's what I'm running against. Not the holocaust. I'm running against --
JONES: -- trying to prevent a holocaust in the Middle East.
A couple of things. The Republican Party -- the state Republican Party has completely disavowed you. They say the Illinois Republican Party and our country --
JONES: Well, they're a bunch of idiots. What can I say?
CAMEROTA: Please let me speak, Mr. Jones -- have no place for Nazis, like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any --
JONES: Arthur Jones fought for this country.
CAMEROTA: -- public office, including the third congressional district.
JONES: I was in Vietnam. Was any of those idiots in Vietnam? I don't think so.
CAMEROTA: Mr. Jones, I'm going to make my point.
The National Republican Party has also done so. "We condemn this candidate and his hateful rhetoric in the strongest possible terms."
Here's the good news. You have a long track record, Mr. Jones --
JONES: That's a picture of me in Vietnam, OK?
CAMEROTA: Yes, you did serve in Vietnam but something --
JONES: That's right, honorable -- honorably. I wasn't a draft dodger like a lot of these communist Jews --
CAMEROTA: -- than where you are not honoring the people like the -- listen --
JONES: -- that were in the streets.
CAMEROTA: Here's what everybody needs to know, Mr. Jones. You have a long track record of losing. You lose virtually everything that you run for.
You've run for Congress and you've lost, for mayor, for alderman, and we're not in the business of predicting the news --
JONES: Persistency counts.
CAMEROTA: -- but I can say that you will lose this race. You couldn't win dog catcher.
JONES: Persistency paid off. Now I'm going to be on the ballot for the March 20th primary and the ballot for the November election.
CAMEROTA: Mr. Jones, we're going to go.