Joy Behar, comedienne, and co-panelist of ABC's The View, talked about how "exhausting" President Trump has made her and "fights" she has had at dinner parties in an interview on Morning Joe broadcasted Friday. Behar said she can't go out to dinner with people who support Trump because being one means you don't care about the environment or women's issues.
Behar, blaming tribalism, said Trump is a cause of divorce in America because it's "difficult" to stay together if you're not on the "same team."
"People are splitting up marriages because of him," she declared. "You know, if you're not on the same team, it's very difficult to stay together."
"What about the level of exhaustion that's out there?" Morning Joe co-host Mike Barnicle asked.
Ordinary person Mike Barnicle laid out a dinner scenario with ordinary people and asked, "You go to dinner, 'I don't want to talk about Trump at dinner.' Ordinary people say, 'I'm sick of watching him on TV. I'm sick of the tweets.' How do you deal with that?"
"It's exhausting," the liberal commentator said. "I mean every dinner party, eventually he comes up. I've had fights at dinner parties, haven't you?" she responded.
"Yeah," Barnicle said.
"I've had fights with people with people at dinner parties," she continued.
"Yeah," Barnicle said again.
"So I don't want to go there anymore," Behar said. "People are splitting up marriages because of him. You know, if you're not on the same team, it's very difficult to stay together."
"Unless it's you two, you two are doing fine," she said to host Joe Scarborough and his fiance Mika Brzezinski. Both are adamantly anti-Trump.
"We disagree all the time," a nervous Brzezinski said.
"You're not exactly [James] Carville and [Mary] Matalin," Behar added.
Behar said as members of humanity, she can't "believe" Trump supporters and Trump opponents can find a way to live together.
Host Joe Scarborough asked isn't it important for people who disagree politically to be able to go out to dinner peacefully. While Behar agreed with the premise, she told the MSNBC host, "I really can't do it."
"And why can't you do that?" Scarborough asked.
"Because if you are a Trump supporter, there's something going on with you that I can't abide," Behar said. "That means that you don't care about the environment. It means that you don't care about women's issues. It means you don't care about the fact that he provokes that nutcase in North Korea. I'm worried about the country."
"How can you be on his side? I don't get that. Do you?" she asked.
"I think this is a very, um, I think this is a very fair argument that you bring up, and it's a real concern because what we're all supposed to be about as members of humanity is to find a way to live together," a serious Brzezinski observed.
"We can't. I really do believe that," Behar said.
"But we have to. We have to figure out a way to talk to each other because if -- because -- there are -- I don't understand it, why some people would be fine with what he does day in and day out but, you know, if we're going to get past Trumpism, don't we have to convince some of those people?" Scarborough wondered.
Behar then said she can't believe there are people out there who support Trump because she can't find any, surmising fans must be "closeted" because they are embarrassed.
"Who are they? Where are they?" she asked. "Most of them are closeted it seems like. They're not really coming out and saying 'I'm for Trump' at these dinner parties. They don't quite say it. They're embarrassed."
"They're a lot of people in the country -- not on the Upper West Side," co-host Willie Geist chimed in.
"Not on the Upper West Side," Scarborough agreed.
"But if you get out there, there are plenty of people," Geist finished.
"Go to central Pennsylvania, go to western Iowa, go to Alabama," Scarborough said. "I mean they're out there."
"If the election were next week, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump won again for the lack of direction and courage in the Democratic party," Barnicle, fearful of a second Trump term, remarked.
Behar disagreed and said Democrats need to ditch the Michelle Obama mantra of "when they go low, we go high." She called on Democrats to "go a little lower" and play at the level Trump does when they speak. She called it "speaking directly to the population."
"They're courageous, they just don't have somebody with the charisma," she said. "When Michelle Obama goes when they go low, we go high. I think the Democrats have to go a little lower now and start to talk the way Donald Trump talks."
"Speaking directly to the population and not couching it in mumbo-jumbo and wonky talk. Go for the heart of the conversation. And you will see how many people go out and vote for them," Behar finished."
"I think I will run," the comedienne joked.