One month after his August 7 firing from Google, software engineer James Damore appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast (below) and the Rubin Report YouTube show (above) to discuss his experience at Google and the path that led him this way:
"I've just been calling it a document," he said about the so-called anti-feminist 'manifesto' which led to his firing.
"If you're a progressive, sometimes you don't even see a progressive echo chamber, because you just think, 'oh, that's how it should be,'" Damore said about his experience with the other people at Google.
Dave Rubin adds: "Because they think that whole system is so complete that they wouldn't need to add anything, which is exactly what an echo chamber is... Right?"
"I sent it to this one email group called 'Skeptics.' And I thought skeptics would be rational, they'd be able to point out holes in my argument," Damore explained. "I want to be wrong -- because if I am right, than there is something bad happening. Please tell me how I'm wrong. And that was not what their response was. They said: 'This is crap.' 'What are you doing?' and it eventually just exploded from there."
"H.R. and some of the higher level execs started sending out emails saying they knew about this document, but dont worry it is horrible and harmful, don't look at it, this is not what Google stands for. Obviously, if you tell someone this is harmful, they're going to look at it," he continued. "Also there were a ton of memes in the company talking about how horrible this was, and blasting me as a person... There was even someone who emailed me directly and said I was a horrible person, a misogynist, I'm going to hunt you down until you're fired or I'm fired... Which means that maybe he knows that H.R. isn't going to do anything... They said to work from home... And they eventually just called me, Monday night, and said James, you're being fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes... They were probably afraid I would have some kind of outburst."
"They did this on the phone?!" Rubin exclaimed aloud.
Damore continued his story: "I had pointed out multiple ways that there was harassment in the workplace [and even legal violations in Google's hiring practices]... As far as I know, and according to [Google] policy, you can't use someone's protected status (their age, race, or gender) when you're determining hiring or other employment critical situations, but we do. We treat different candidates differently, and when someone is going up for a promotion, they may be treated differently."
Damore explained that there is now a law suit against Google in progress, citing one example of a person who was fired for not attending a gay pride parade: "I'm of course for gay rights, but someone didn't want to go to a gay pride parade, and they got fired for that. It is like, a little too far."
"That is literally true? Someone at Google said they didn't want to go to the gay pride parade, and they got fired for that?" Rubin asked.
Damore's answer was: "At least according to them. We'll have to look into it more. There have been multiple cases like that where if you don't agree with the progressive ideology, than you're discriminated against."
"You could be totally pro-gay and just not want to go to a parade," Rubin said. "I'm not a huge parade guy myself."
Damore had advice for future truth-speakers: "I talked to Jordan Peterson early on, and he told me: 'Talk to the media, because once they see that you're just a normal person, and not some crazy aggressive woman hater, your case will just get better.'"
Also check out Damore's extended interview with Joe Rogan: