Navarro to Latino Arpaio Defender: A Lot Of Latinos Will Say You Are "Self-Loathing," But I Won't

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On Monday's edition of New Day, CNN's Ana Navarro told Arizona State Sen. Steve Montenegro (R) some quarters of the Latino community would call him a "self-loathing Latino" for supporting the pardon of former Sheriff Joe Arpaio. However, Navarro said she would not be one of them.

"Let me say this to you," she began. "There's going to be a lot of Latinos watching you and listening to you today who are going to say you're a self-loathing Latino who doesn't look at himself in the mirror. I'm going to tell them to stop because the maturity of a community means that we can have diversity of opinion. And if that's your opinion, I differ from it, but I'm not going to call you out on it that way."

Montenegro combatted Navarro, calling her is a liberal for supporting Hillary Clinton for president and furthering the narrative that Republicans are racist.

"Ana, anybody can say that they're a Republican. Granted you are a Republican. But you're also a liberal. And you can't run away from that. The reality is you're -- you voted for Hillary Clinton. So let's be honest about what we're talking about here. We're talking about a narrative that tries to pin conservatives and Republicans as racists just because we follow the rule of law, just because we want to respect the rule of law," he told Navarro.

"Why am I a liberal? Because I stand up for my community? Why am I a liberal? Because I want to defend the Dream Act kids? Why am I a liberal? Because I don't forget that I'm an immigrant and that I'm a Hispanic and that I have a Latin accent when I speak English and I want to defend those who get racially profiled by people who would discriminate against us?" Navarro responded.

Transcript, via CNN:


NAVARRO: May I respond, Chris?

CUOMO: Ana, yes, because the reason that racism is being put into this mix is because that was what the pattern of discrimination disclosed. That's how Arpaio got in trouble was because of what he was doing. So racism wasn't just injected into this. That was the premise of his behavior.

But, Ana, go ahead.

MONTENEGRO: Well, that's because the media makes him out to be.

NAVARRO: May I -- may I respond.

CUOMO: Go ahead.

NAVARRO: Listen, you know, those are nice talking points about the left. But I am not the left. I have been a Republican since I came to this country fleeing communism when I was eight years old and Ronald Reagan was president. John McCain, who has spoken strongly against the Arpaio pardon, is not the left. He is a national hero and was the Republican nominee. Your other senator, Jeff Flake, also a Republican from Arizona. People who know the facts and who have been on the ground are not the left.

Paul Ryan, the speaker of the House, who came out and spoke against this pardoning of Arpaio, is not the left. Congresswoman Ileana Ros- Lehtinen from Miami, a first Latina Republican elected to Congress who have been there for decades, is not the left.

So this thing about the left and the talking points and the what about-isms, they're a very nice, you know, crutch for you to use. And you're entitled to use it.

And let me say this to you. There's going to be a lot of Latinos watching you and listening to you today who are going to say you're a self-loathing Latino who doesn't look at himself in the mirror. I'm going to tell them to stop because the maturity of a community means that we can have diversity of opinion. And if that's your opinion, I differ from it, but I'm not going to call you out on it that way. Now, that being said, this is not about the left.

MONTENEGRO: Look, let me -- let me answer to that, please. Please, let me answer to that.

NAVARRO: This is a judge and there is a lot of Republicans who have spoken out against it.

CUOMO: All right. All right, so, all right, let's put the politics to the side. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

MONTENEGRO: Right, well, but I want to answer --

CUOMO: You can answer, but let me -- let me frame something else for you.

MONTENEGRO: Chris, I do want to answer to this because directly -- this directly went -- this directly went to what I am trying to say, so let me respond to this.

CUOMO: All right, go ahead. Go ahead.

MONTENEGRO: Ana, you -- anybody can say that they're a Republican. Granted you are a Republican. But you're also a liberal. And you can't run away from that. The reality is you're -- you voted for Hillary Clinton. So let's be honest about what we're talking about here. We're talking about a narrative that tries to pin conservatives and Republicans as racists just because we follow the rule of law, just because we want to respect the rule of law.

CUOMO: All right. All right, but here's the thing. Here -- here's the thing.

NAVARRO: Let me ask you, why am I a liberal?

CUOMO: Hold on.

NAVARRO: Why am I a liberal? Because I stand up for my community? Why am I a liberal? Because I want to defend the Dream Act kids? Why am I a liberal? Because I don't forget that I'm an immigrant and that I'm a Hispanic and that I have a Latin accent when I speak English and I want to defend those who get racially profiled by people who would discriminate against us?

MONTENEGRO: No, see, but if you -- but if you look at --

NAVARRO: Why am I a liberal? Because I -- because I believe in gay rights?

MONTENEGRO: Let's look at the issues that actually matter to --

NAVARRO: Is that what makes me a liberal?

MONTENEGRO: If you want to use the Hispanic community -- if you want to use the Hispanic community, then let's -- NAVARRO: And, yes, I voted for Hillary Clinton because I thought and I think that Donald Trump is unfit. Unfit as president, unfit as a candidate and unfit as a Republican. And I was a Republican when he was a Democrat. And I was a Republican when he was an independent.

MONTENEGRO: But you see -- you see how you lean on the -- you lean on the Hispanic community. If you want to -- if we want to talk about the Hispanic community --

NAVARRO: Well, I don't lean on it. I'm a Hispanic.

MONTENEGRO: Well, I know. So am I. So let's talk --

NAVARRO: Right.

MONTENEGRO: If you want to talk about what matters to the Hispanic community --

NAVARRO: And you've got all your rights (ph).

MONTENEGRO: What matters to the Hispanic community are jobs. The education for our kids.

CUOMO: Well, wait. Hold on a second. Hold on. Mr. Montenegro, hold on one second.

MONTENEGRO: This is what matters to the Hispanic community.

Yes, sir.

CUOMO: Jobs matter to every community.

MONTENEGRO: That's correct.

CUOMO: Raising wages would be a panacea for many problems in this country. We're waiting to see how the president makes that happen. So that's one issue.

But you have said nothing about the sum and substance of what got Arpaio in trouble. Do you think it's OK to lock at someone like you and say, hmm, you look like you might be Latino. I think I'll check to see if you're an illegal immigrant or not. Are you OK with that practice?

MONTENEGRO: But see, Chris -- OK. So this -- this is -- look, every story -- every story needs a villain. And in this case the media has made a villain. But the reality is --

CUOMO: Talk about the practice.

MONTENEGRO: I am. Let me finish.

CUOMO: Go ahead.

MONTENEGRO: The reality is that you have an 85-year-old man. Look, 33 percent of his employees were Hispanics. Five -- out of five of his top deputies, three of them were Hispanic. He's got -- has a grandchild that's Hispanic and another grandchild that is black (ph). This whole nonsense about racism is something that the left, that liberals use, that folks that can't respect the rule of law --

CUOMO: Well, but then what was the practice about? If you look like an illegal, I'm going to check you for I.D. Does that sound good to you?

MONTENEGRO: You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? When the left -- when liberals are out of talking points, when they are out of facts, they use racism.

CUOMO: Defend the practice.

MONTENEGRO: The reality -- the reality is that --

CUOMO: You're not speaking to the practice.

MONTENEGRO: Again --

CUOMO: You haven't said a damn thing about the practice.

MONTENEGRO: Chris --

CUOMO: The facts that were on the record. Address them.

MONTENEGRO: Chris, you --

NAVARRO: Not to mention that he was doing that, he has been racially profiling way before he was 85 years old.

MONTENEGRO: That's what I'm trying to say. Chris, that's what I'm trying to say. Look, this is -- this is -- again, I answered that. You -- what -- what yours --

CUOMO: You've said nothing about the practice itself. Nothing. You keep saying that it's being made an excuse by the left. Fine, if you want to say that, but justify the practice. So you don't think he did that? You don't -- you don't think the facts on the record or accurate.

MONTENEGRO: And that's -- and -- look, here's the thing. Here's the reality. If you're an American that believes in the rule of law, the left screams racism. If you're an American that believes in capitalism and free markets, the left screams racism. If you are someone that believes in American exceptionalism, the left and liberals scream racism.

CUOMO: Oh, OK.

MONTENEGRO: Because we're -- why? Because we're trying to make sure that we abide by the rule of law.

CUOMO: That's fine. That's a fine political argument. All I'm saying is --

NAVARRO: OK, Chris, let me respond to -- CUOMO: Hold on. Ana, we have to leave it -- we have to leave it here. But I'm going to state the proposition to the audience just so that they can measure what they've seen. Either you think it's OK to look at somebody and say you look like you may be an undocumented person, I think I'll check you, or you don't.

MONTENEGRO: That's not -- that's not the case. That's incorrect. That's never right.

CUOMO: Those were the facts for the accusation. They can -- they can Google themselves. That's how he got thrown in contempt of court, for refusing to correct those practices.

MONTENEGRO: That is -- well, that's -- that's -- those are accusations. Those are -- Chris, those are never correct. But that -- those are accusations made by liberals and the media. These are accusations made by the media.

CUOMO: They were made by the justice system. They were made by the justice system.

We've got to leave it there.

MONTENEGRO: And by the very --

NAVARRO: And you are such a broken record.

MONTENEGRO: A very political justice system it is.

CUOMO: All right, fine, but it was the justice system. We have one for a reason.

NAVARRO: (speaking in foreign language). You are a broken record.

CUOMO: All right, yes, I --

NAVARRO: (speaking in foreign language).

MONTENEGRO: Thank you for having me on.

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