Kellyanne Conway Rhymes: What's the Conclusion on Collusion? "Illusion And Delusion"


Kellyanne Conway rips the media for "talking about Russia more than America" in a Wednesday night appearance on FOX News' Hannity.

HANNITY: All right, Kellyanne, welcome back, good to see you.


HANNITY: I know you watched the interview. What was your overall take? I actually thought what was more important is we've got the Russian dossier - - I'm sorry, we have the former intelligence agent, his dossier, some of the information coming from Russia. And then of course you've got the Ukrainian issue, real collusion with the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign. Then of course you have got Obama trying to oust and actively working to oust Prime Minister Netanyahu, one of our closest allies in Israel. So if collusion matters, how come we haven't heard about Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine as much as we should?

CONWAY: That's about the different candidates, the one who lost and who the media wanted to win back and predicted would win. They neither expected nor wanted this election result. And the president is right when he points that out, that so much of this goes back to the election results and the fact that people are trying to BleachBit it and make it go away.

Let's review a couple things. You just mentioned the actual coordination and collusion between Ukrainian embassy officials and DNC officials. They actually used that information to try to hurt people on the Trump campaign. That's number one. Number two, Bill Clinton got a half-million dollars in speaking fees from a Russian bank and was personally thanked by Putin for that.

Number three, Hillary Clinton allowed 20 percent of our uranium reserves to go to a Russian firm whose investors gave money to the Clinton Foundation. The Clinton campaign chairman's brother lobbied against sanctions on Russia and failed to disclose it. So you're talking about actual evidence, not conjecture.

My other impression of your interview is that -- how refreshing to have someone take responsibility, be transparent and earnest, admit that maybe he would have done things differently. I think many people in last year's election should say that they would have done things differently. How about the people saying on election day Hillary Clinton had a 92 percent chance of winning Michigan. It turns out she had a zero percent chance. So many things could be done differently.

The bottom line is, what came out of this 20 minute, brief meeting? Nothing helpful, nothing meaningful, nothing consequential. If that weren't true, there would have been immediate follow-up. No follow-up whatsoever.

HANNITY: But Alexandra Chalupa, the woman that was being paid by the DNC - - I will go to the Politico article, the early part of this year she shared her findings with officials from the DNC and the Clinton campaign. She went to the Ukrainian embassy, and they were disseminating false information on Donald Trump. As a matter of fact they even take credit for helping to push out a Paul Manafort at that particular point in the campaign. So there's real collusion.

CONWAY: There's real damage too. That's my whole point, where the damage is here. You were specifying damages. If we were in a court of law, I don't think all these allegations would even muster a motion to dismiss, a motion for summary judgment. But certainly I would ask you the question, what witnesses are you going to call? Where is your evidence, and what are your damages?

What you described with the Ukrainian embassy officials and the DNC, this Alexandra person, there was damage. They tried to hurt people and they did hurt people on the Trump campaign. So I'm glad you are raising that. No less than a New York Times reporter today tweeted about it, almost exactly what you are saying. Sarah Sangers mentioned it in her White House press briefing today. And this is important information. The biggest response I have heard from the media about that is, oh, but a different person won. You won, she lost. That does not erase the fact that people may have broken the law and that they colluded with foreign governments to try to damage people in the Trump campaign which by extension would damage Mr. Trump, at the time.

HANNITY: It's also very interesting, and this was what I was trying to point out earlier in the program today, my opening monologue. Rowan Scarborough, a very well renowned reporter, Washington Times, and he writes this piece today, Christopher Steele, he's the former British intel guy, he's the one that paid for a lot of the information that he got -- this is where the hooker Ritz story comes in, proven false, all of these things. But he actually says in his piece that Mr. Steele was paid by the Democratic funded opposition research group Fusion GPS with money from a Hillary Clinton backer. So if they are getting information from Russia in that particular case, or you could even add to that the Uranium One deal, she signs off, over $100 million kicked back to the Clinton Foundation. There's something so fundamentally wrong here in terms of fundamental fairness and the media. And at some point it seems like there's got to be more pushback and that these stories have got to also penetrate the consciousness of the American people.

CONWAY: The pushback is coming from the American people. Have you seen the approval rating of the media lately?

HANNITY: Yes, that's true. You're right.

CONWAY: And the ratings on shows and networks -- not yours, Sean. By the way, congratulations on your incredible ratings. I think people are looking for an alternative because in addition to there being sort of a myopic, lemming-like ants on a sugar cube mentality on this story by many in the media, there's just this culture of sameness. Everybody sounds the same.

Do you realize that the president of the United States sat with the president of Russia less than a week ago for two hours and 15 minutes and yet we're talking about this and not that? Do you realize that you've got people in the media now between their lower third chyrons and what comes out of their mouth, they talk more about Russia than America? And thank you for talking about America so often.

Do you realize that we basically will come out of this 20 minute brief meeting, same amount of information that comes out of some of these panels where six people are nodding their head at each other discussing the same thing, which is to say zero usable information.

So I just want to review in case you run out of time. This is how we see it so far. This is to help all the people at home. What is the conclusion? Collusion, no. We don't have that yet. I see illusion and delusion.


CONWAY: So just so we're clear everyone, four word, conclusion, collusion? No. Illusion, delusion, yes. I just we would have some fun with words, so Sesame's Grover word of the day perhaps, Sean, because you are absolutely right. To date they basically set out this Venus flytrap and though one day we will catch something eight months later. And yet we really appreciate the fact that, we being the American people, I have to say, appreciate the fact that Don Jr. released those emails, appeared on your show for all to see. Compare that to the hiding and the furtiveness that we saw all during the last campaign by the other side.

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