Chris Matthews, on the Thursday broadcast of MSNBC's Hardball, asked viewers "follow me on this" as he rolled out a conspiracy theory of "the three people" who can bring President Trump down for "playing footsie" with Russians.
"I would assume that Jared Kushner knows exactly, precisely, either through his wife or directly from his father-in-law exactly what his methods were, what his relationships were, what words were passed with the Russians," Matthews said.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: It seems to me, and follow me on this. Check me. It seems to me that there are three people that can get this president, if there is guilt there, in terms of some sort of footsie, playing footsie with the Russians during the campaign and after the campaign.
If one of the three people talks. Now, it seems that if Michael Flynn talks and I think the president is very wary of this. If he talks, he can say, 'Here's the following sort of marching orders I got from the president in those meetings I had with the Russians.'
He wanted us to set some deal, convince them things are going to look a lot better after I get in office, blah, blah, blah. Keep up the good word. We don't know what it is. But that guy clearly doesn't want to talk right now. He's trying to get immunity. He's using everything including the Fifth Amendment to not have to talk.
Then there's Paul Manafort, who is talking. Now, Manafort may be just talking about his own financial business, which may not be nice to look at, but it's totally legal. And then you have the son-in-law. What does Jared Kushner know about the father-in-law? I would assume everything.
I would assume that Jared Kushner knows exactly, precisely, either through his wife or directly from his father-in-law exactly what his methods were, what his relationships were, what words were passed with the Russians. And my guess is we would like to hear on the record, under oath, all three of these gentlemen. Will we ever get to hear from all three of them on this matter?