MIT linguistics professor and left-wing guru Noam Chomsky comments on the failure of socialism in Latin America this week on 'Democracy Now!'
DEMOCRACY NOW!: "In Ecuador, leftist ruling party candidate Len√≠n Moreno narrowly beat out right-wing former banker Guillermo Lasso in Sunday‚Äôs presidential runoff vote. The election is seen as an outlier in the recent trend in Latin America, which has seen right-wing governments rise to power. For more on the politics in Ecuador, Brazil, Venezuela and across Latin America, we speak with Noam Chomsky, world-renowned political dissident, linguist and author."
JUAN GONZ√ĀLEZ: I wanted to ask you about Latin America. We had a period, for about 10 years, of enormous social progress in Latin America‚ÄĒall these socially minded governments, reduction of income inequality, the only part of the world where there are no nuclear weapons. And yet, now we‚Äôve seen, in the last few years, real steps backwards. Quite a few of the popular governments, with the exception of Ecuador, recently have been thrown out of office, and a deepening crisis in Venezuela. Your sense of what has happened, in that, after so much promise, all of a sudden it seems that the region is going backward?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, there were‚ÄĒthere were real achievements. But the left governments failed to use the opportunity available to them to try to create sustainable, viable economies. Almost every one‚ÄĒVenezuela, Brazil, others, Argentina‚ÄĒrelied on the rise in commodity prices, which is a temporary phenomenon. Commodity prices did rise, mainly because of the growth of China. So there was a rise in the oil price, of soy, and so on and so forth. And instead of trying to develop a sustainable economy with manufacturing, agriculture and so on‚ÄĒlike Venezuela is potentially a rich agricultural country, but they didn‚Äôt develop it‚ÄĒthey simply relied on the commodity‚ÄĒraw materials commodities they could export. That‚Äôs a very harmful‚ÄĒit‚Äôs not only not a successful, it‚Äôs a harmful development model, because when you export grain to China, let‚Äôs say, they export manufacturing goods to you, and that undermines your manufacturing industries. And that‚Äôs pretty much what‚Äôs been happening.
On top of that, there was just enormous corruption. It‚Äôs just‚ÄĒit‚Äôs painful to see the Workers‚Äô Party in Brazil, which did carry out significant measures, just‚ÄĒthey just couldn‚Äôt keep their hands out of the till. They joined the extremely corrupt elite, which is robbing all the time, and took part in it, as well, and discredited themselves. And there‚Äôs a reaction. I don‚Äôt think the game is over by any means.
There were real successes achieved, and I think a lot of those will be sustained. But there is a regression. They‚Äôll have to pick up again with, one hopes, more honest forces that won‚Äôt be‚ÄĒthat will, first of all, recognize the need to develop the economy in a way which has a solid foundation, not just based on raw material exports, and, secondly, honest enough to carry out decent programs without robbing the public at the same time.
AMY GOODMAN: What about Venezuela?
NOAM CHOMSKY: Venezuela is really a disaster situation. The economy relies on oil as to a great‚ÄĒprobably a greater extent than ever in the past, certainly very high. And the corruption, the robbery and so on, has been extreme, under the‚ÄĒespecially after Ch√°vez‚Äôs death. So, it‚Äôs a‚ÄĒI mean, if you look at it, it still has‚ÄĒif you look at, say, the U.N. Human Development Index, Venezuela still ranks, say, above Brazil. So it‚Äôs the‚ÄĒthere are hopes and possibilities for reconstruction and development. But the promise of the earlier years has been significantly lost.