VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: And, anyway, but so -- but Trump comes along and for example, you never heard me criticize the Tea Party. And the reason I didn't, there's a lot of people who are scared and beat up and what happens?
They lost a lot in what happened during the Bush administration and the Great Recession. And they're angry. And so there's two ways to deal with it. And people go out and you find a scapegoat. And it happened to become the government.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Yes.
BIDEN: I remember we were running in 2008, a woman standing up on a sign on a chair at a corner with about 100 other people saying don't take my Medicare.
MATTHEWS: I agree.
BIDEN: Government out of my life.
MATTHEWS: Isn't that funny?
MATTHEWS: They think government is not a -- is not the people that created...
MATTHEWS: -- Medicare.
BIDEN: So -- so I think -- look, when you appear -- when you're appealing to people's fears and anxieties, you can -- you can make some gains. But the end of the day, I think, you're going to find -- I'll make you a bet that in the state of Pennsylvania, a significant number of those non-college educated white women and men vote Democratic before this is over.
MATTHEWS: The reason I'm involved in this -- what you talk about, because I was reading in "The Washington" -- "The Washington Post" today, everything I've been thinking about, you've got it all laid out. Bobby Kennedy, when he did -- and you loved the guy.
BIDEN: I did (INAUDIBLE).
MATTHEWS: His train is coming down through jersey and Pennsylvania, to Washington. And you see white guys -- a white guy with a dirty face. He's a working guy with his kids with dirty faces -- saluting...
BIDEN: That's right.
MATTHEWS: And that -- where is that -- we've -- we've lost that gut connection, I think, with the working people out there. We have black support, the Democrats do. The liberals do. But this is gone, this salute to -- to the Democratic Party.
MATTHEWS: How do you get that back?
You can do it, I think.
BIDEN: Because you talk -- you have to talk to them. You have to engage with them. You have to -- you have to go and let them know that you understand their anxieties.
Look, you know, when Barack picked me up -- the president picked me up from -- coming from Philadelphia in 2009 to go down...
BIDEN: -- to be sworn in, thousands of people were on the track in Delaware. There were all those white guys in hard hats...
BIDEN: -- though, saluting.
BIDEN: And because I -- I've always -- I get it. And -- but I think we got to the point where a lot of local Democrats took it for granted. And look, the other part of this is there -- you know, I may be mistaken, but I think after Sam Nunn left, I'm the last guy in the Senate who got a majority white male vote in their state.
BIDEN: But again, a small enough state where I paid attention. And by the way, I get overwhelming support in the African-American community.
MATTHEWS: I know. I've seen it. I've seen it...