CNN's Jake Tapper vs. Rudy Giuliani: You're Saying Only Democrats Rig Elections?


CNN's Jake Tapper debates former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani about Donald Trump's claim that the election could be "rigged."

RUDY GIULIANI: When [Donald Trump] talks about a rigged election, he's not talking about the fact that it's going to be rigged at the polls.

What he's talking about is 80% to 85% of the media is against him. When you look at the New York Times and you pick it up in the morning, at the top of the paper there's three stories that are anti-Trump. Some of them baseless, some of them silly. And at the bottom you get something about WikiLeaks. Same thing with The Washington Post. Way out of control. The New York Daily News with the clown outfits...

The reality is that he makes it clear, he's pushing it at right at the press.

JAKE TAPPER: Then why does he call for people to go to elections, to go to polling places to be election monitors? Why is he saying, if I lose Pennsylvania, it's because it's stolen. Pennsylvania is a state that jasn't gone Republican since 1988.

GIULIANI: There are a few places, and not many in the swing states, there are a few places where they have been notorious for stealing votes: Pennsylvania, Chicago, places where a lot of cheating have gone on over the years.

I know that from my own knowledge of bussing people in from Camden. When I ran for mayor of New York City, the first time, some people voted eight and ten times. And second time I had firefighters and police officers outside checking on the buses so we take down the number of the bus, the bus had voted ten times, and wouldn't let the bus vote again.

When I asked Randy Levine, who is now the president of the Yankees, how much cheating did we stop, he said I think we stopped about 75% of it. We're still going to have to get about 25,000 votes.

I'm sorry, dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans.

TAPPER: So he's not talking about elections being stolen, except in some cases when he is talking about elections being stolen.

GIULIANI: You want me to tell you the election in Philadelphia and Chicago will be fair? I would have to be a moron to say that. I would have to dislearn everything I learned in 40 years of being a politician.

TAPPER: The Republican party in Philadelphia would disagree with you. They looked into allegations in 2012 and said there was nothing irregular. Yes there were areas where people who only voted for Obama. Just like in Utah there were places that only voted for Romney.

GIULIANI: I remember a case where I was associate attorney general where 720 dead people voted in Chicago in the 1982 election. I remember in my own election about 60 dead people voted. So I can't sit here and tell you that they don't cheat. And I know because they control the polling places in these areas. There are no Republicans. It's very hard to get people there who will challenge votes. So what they do is they leave dead people on the rolls, and then they pay people to vote for those dead people. Four, five, six, seven times.

TAPPER: We have to go. Just to put a button on this, it sound as if you're saying Trump is serious when he says that the election is going to be stolen.

GIULIANI: I'm not saying that.

TAPPER: You just laid out a case how Democrats steal elections.

GIULIANI: If she wins Illinois by 8%, or he wins Illinois by 8%, that cheating doesn't make any difference. If he wins Pennsylvania by five or she wins by five, it makes no difference.

If it is a one or two point race, it could make a difference in a few places... We do cheat. We have people who cheat in elections.

TAPPER: You're saying only Democrats cheat?

GIULIANI: There are very few situations where Republicans cheat. They don't control the inner cities the way Democrats do. Maybe if Republicans controlled the inner cities they would cheat as much as Democrats.

TAPPER: There are a lot of elections experts who would disagree with you.

GIULIANI: They never prosecuted election fraud.

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