On his HBO show Real Time this week Bill Maher called out liberals for not standing up for gays affected by Muslim culture and the "gender Apartheid" in many Middle Eastern countries. While Maher agreed to gun control, he chided liberals for making that the foremost issue instead of radical Islam.
The conversation meandered several times but Maher was able to steer it back to the proliferation of radical Islamic beliefs which influence terrorists to commit terror attacks and massacres in the U.S.
BILL MAHER: Anytime somebody shoots up a gay nightclub the question is not whether religion is involved, it's what religion was involved?
EMILY MILLER, ANCHOR: There's only one religion that is bombing and terrorizing.
MAHER: I'm just about to get to that... I'm sorry folks, that's the truth too. We have to be real on both counts. Yes, the God Hates Fags people show up with placards and posters, and it's despicable, but they don't show up with guns and bombs. That's just the world as it is today.
The answer is not to ban Muslims, however. The answer is to ask more of Muslims, I think.
The panel discussion then turned to gun control, repealing the Second Amendment and confiscating 300 million plus guns:
Maher called said we aren't going to confiscate weapons anymore than we're going to deport 11 million illegals.
"Can we get real here?" Maher said during the gun control discussion. "If [the shooter] didn't use the AR-15 there's plenty of other guns in America. Maybe he wouldn't have been as effective, but we are not going to have the cops go around and confiscate more than 300 million guns -- anymore than we're going to deport 11 million illegals. This is like saying I want more Great Lakes. America lives in a total fantasy."
Panelist Josh Barro said instead of blaming Islam as the "singular" issue in violence against gays one should consider the suicide rate. Barro also said Obama's refusal to use the term 'radical Islam' was not to give in to what the terrorists want: to frame this as a war between the Islam and the West helmed by the U.S.
JOSH BARRO, BUSINESS INSIDER: I want to take issue with what you said about Islam being singular in terms of the violent risk it poses for gays. Because Donald Trump this week said, 'Ask the gays what you're afraid of?' And I think when you talk to gay people in America -- if Donald Trump actually went and asked the gays -- the biggest violence risk is suicide. There's all this immense social pressure against LGBT people for being who they are.
MAHER: That's a different issue.
BARRO: No, but...
MAHER: It's apples and oranges.
BARRO: No, because you have Donald Trump and other Republicans coming out and saying, 'We're the real protectors of LGBT people in America.
MAHER: Well that's bullshit... he didn't even know the term before last week, I promise you. I promise you he thought it was a sandwich before last week.
BARRO: Islamist violence in the United States is extremely rate.
MAHER: In the United States. I've said this so many times--
MILLER: 9/11, 2000 people killed [ed's note: death toll more close to 3,000], and now we just had 49 people slaughtered by radicals. We had how many in San Bernardino?
MAHER: But this is the American myopia. They think of the three million Muslims in America -- who are by the way the lucky ones because they can come out of the closet or they can elope with someone whose not of their faith. Or they can leave the religion. Or they can draw a cartoon without getting killed.
This is not the case for so many millions of Muslims around the world. Where are the liberals to stand up for them? The people who could not abide by Apartheid for one second, somehow when it comes to gender Apartheid which is in so many countries around the world they are not to be heard. It is a liberal cause, or it should be. There are millions and millions of Muslims who are gay around the world who have no one to stand up for and I didn't hear it this week.
MAHER: In ten Muslim countries you get the death penalty for just being gay. Could be have a little perspective on this issue? Size matters.
Guest Ravi Patel said the massacre was the result of social conservatism, something that went over well with the audience but not so much with Maher who had earlier pointed out Christian homophobia in America is verbal and not violent.
Fellow guest panelist Ret. Col. Lawrence Wilkerson said blaming the Islam religion for the acts of a few is like blaming Catholicism for the actions of pedophile priests.
MILLER: He is not a lone wolf. He got the propagandism from ISIS online. He went to Saudi Arabia twice.
RAVI PATEL: But he's not a member of ISIS. He was on Grindr, do you think him part of their team? He's going to get a 1,000 virgins for himself that he's not going to even be able to touch...
These people, they're using ISIS because it's available for them. They're lonely. He's going around, he's powerless and that is an easy source of power because you can't get rejected. He gets online and says that's my team and now I feel validated.
And it's the same stuff that happens in social conservatism. it's the exact same.
MILLER: How so?
PATEL: I'm saying what happens in any religion where people are repressed.
The Real Time panel also talked about Trump's "selfishness" and how that may be his downfall. Watch: