Tapper Grills Trump: If A Judge Can't Do His Job Because Of His Race, "Is That Not The Definition of Racism?"

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From this weekend's upcoming broadcast of State of the Union with host Jake Tapper. Transcript, via CNN:

TAPPER: I want to ask you about comments you made about the judge...

TRUMP: Sure.

TAPPER: - in the Trump University case.

TRUMP: Sure.

TAPPER: You said that you thought it was a conflict of interest that he was the judge because he's of Mexican heritage, even though he's from Indiana.

TRUMP: (INAUDIBLE).

TAPPER: Hillary Clinton said that that is a racist attack on a federal judge.

TRUMP: Oh, you know, she's so wonderful. You know, I mean here's a woman that should be put in jail for what she did with her emails and she's commenting on this.

TAPPER: But what about (INAUDIBLE)...

TRUMP: Let me just tell you...

TAPPER: (INAUDIBLE).

TRUMP: - let me just tell you (INAUDIBLE).

I have a case where thousands of people have taken this course and thousands and thousands of people have said great reviews, great reviews. Fortunately, just about everybody that took the courses have signed a review, an evaluation, they call it.

And it's gotten tremendous marks. Thousands - I don't mean like two people, I mean thousands of people.

TAPPER: Right.

TRUMP: OK. I have a situation where the woman that brought the case brought the case. She's the plaintiff. She was deposed. She was found to be a disaster for them as a witness, because she gave an evaluation that was like the best evaluation you've even heard - wait just one second.

TAPPER: OK.

TRUMP: And she did a tape like from your camera saying that this school was fantastic. It was fantastic.

They went to the judge and they said, your honor, we don't want her anymore to be our plaintiff so we said let's dismiss the case. That's OK. Let's dismiss the case.

And he said, no, I won't dismiss the case and she doesn't have to be the plaintiff

TAPPER: But what -

TRUMP: Let me tell you...

TAPPER: - does that have to do with his heritage?

TRUMP: I'll tell you what it has to do. I have had ruling after ruling after ruling that's been bad rulings, OK?

I've been treated very unfairly. Beforehand, we had another judge. If that judge was still there, this case would have been over two years ago.

Let me just tell you, I have had horrible rules. I've been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall, OK?

I'm building a wall. I am going to do very well with the Hispanics, the Mexicans (INAUDIBLE)...

TAPPER: So no Mexican judge could ever be involved in a case...

TRUMP: Well?

TAPPER: - that involves you?

TRUMP: No, he's a member of a society where, you know, very pro-Mexico and that's fine. It's all fine. But I think...

TAPPER: Except that you're calling into question...

TRUMP: - I think he should...

TAPPER: - his heritage.

TRUMP: - recuse himself...

TAPPER: Because he's Latino?

TRUMP: - then you also say does he know the lawyer on the other side?

I mean does he know the lawyer, the, you know, a lot of people say yes. I don't know.

TAPPER: But I'm not talking about that.

TRUMP: Well, no, that's another...

TAPPER: I'm talking about the...

TRUMP: - that's another problem.

TAPPER: But you're invoking his race when talking about whether or not...

TRUMP: Here's what I'm (INAUDIBLE)...

TAPPER: - he can do his job.

TRUMP: Jake, I'm building a wall, OK?

I'm building a wall. I'm trying to keep business out of Mexico. Mexico is fine. There's nothing...

TAPPER: But he's American. He's an American.

TRUMP: - the Mexican - he's of Mexican heritage and he's very proud of it, as I am where I come from, my parents.

TAPPER: But he's an American. You keep talking about...

TRUMP: Jake...

TAPPER: - it's a conflict of interest...

TRUMP: - Jake, Jake...

TAPPER: - because of Mexico.

TRUMP: Are you ready?

I have a case that should have been dismissed already. I have thousands of people saying Trump University is fantastic, OK?

I have a case that should have been dismissed. I have a judge that never ever gives a (INAUDIBLE). Now, we lose the plaintiff he lets the plaintiff of the case out.

So why isn't he canceling the case?

So we thought we won the case.

TAPPER: So you disagree with his rulings...

TRUMP: No, no.

TAPPER: - I totally understand that.

TRUMP: No. Not me.

TAPPER: But you're sa...

TRUMP: I've had lawyers come up to me and say you are being treated so unfairly, it's unbelievable.

TAPPER: Isn't...

TRUMP: You know the plaintiffs in the case have all said wonderful things about the school and they're suing.

You know why they're suing?

Because they want to get their money back.

TAPPER: I don't really want to litigate the case...

TRUMP: You have to...

TAPPER: - of Trump University...

TRUMP: - because if he was...

TAPPER: What a...

TRUMP: - was giving me fair rulings, I wouldn't say that.

TAPPER: My question is...

TRUMP: But, Jake...

TAPPER: Yes?

TRUMP: - if you were giving me fair rulings, I wouldn't be talking to this way. He's giving me horrible rulings...

TAPPER: But I don't care if you criticize him. That's fine. You can criticize every decision. What I'm saying is if you invoke his race as a reason why he can't do his job...

TRUMP: I think that's why he's doing it. But...

TAPPER: (INAUDIBLE).

TRUMP: I think that's why he's doing it.

TAPPER: When Hillary Clinton says it's a racist attack...

TRUMP: Hillary - Hillary Clinton is a stiff. If Hillary Clinton becomes president...

TAPPER: But Paul Ryan today...

TRUMP: - I mean...

TAPPER: - Paul Ryan today said he - he didn't care for the way that you were attacking this judge.

TRUMP: Look, I'm just telling you. Paul Ryan doesn't know the case. Here's the story.

TAPPER: Isn't it the definite...

TRUMP: I should have won this case on summary judgment. This is not a case - this is a case I should have won on summary judgment. Do you know the law firm paid Hillary Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars to make speeches?

Do you know the law firm has...

TAPPER: I do. And we've reported it.

TRUMP: Oh, you do?

TAPPER: We've re- we've reported it on my show.

TRUMP: OK.

TAPPER: In fact.

TRUMP: OK, good. Well, I'm glad. You're the only one. The law firm...

TAPPER: (INAUDIBLE)...

TRUMP: Wait a minute. The law firm paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hillary Clinton for speeches.

TAPPER: Before either of you were president - were running for president...

TRUMP: She wasn't working. Everybody fell asleep during the speech.

TAPPER: Before either of you were running for president, they did.

But here's the - just the fundamental question.

TRUMP: Do you know that they've contributed tremendous amounts of money to her campaign?

TAPPER: Yes.

TRUMP: Do you know they've contributed a lot of money to Eric Schneiderman, the New York attorney general?

TAPPER: Here is my question.

TRUMP: No, no, do you know that?

TAPPER: I did not know that.

TRUMP: Do you know that these people went to every attorney general, practically, in the country that they could and do you know this case was turned down by almost every attorney general, from Texas to Florida to many of these states?

TAPPER: Is it not, when Hillary Clinton says this is a racist attack and you reject that, if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?

TRUMP: No, I don't think so at all.

TAPPER: No?

TRUMP: No. He's proud of his heritage. I - I respect him for that.

TAPPER: But you're saying he can't do his job because of that.

TRUMP: Look, he's proud of his heritage, OK. I'm building a wall. Now, I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics.

TAPPER: He's a legal citizen...

TRUMP: You know why I'm going to do well with Hispanics?

Because I'm going to bring back jobs and they're going to get jobs right now. They're going to get jobs. I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics.

But we're building a wall. He's a Mexican. We're building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings, rulings that people can't even believe. This case should have ended years ago on summary judgment. The best lawyers - I have spoken to so many lawyers, they said this is not a case, this is a case that should have ended.

TAPPER: I have...

TRUMP: This judge is giving us unfair rulings.

Now I say why?

Well, I want to - I'm building a wall, OK, and it's a wall between Mexico, not another country...

TAPPER: But he's not...

TRUMP: - (INAUDIBLE).

TAPPER: - he's not from Mexico.

TRUMP: In my opinion...

TAPPER: He's for Indiana.

TRUMP: - he is - his Mexican heritage. And he's very proud of it.

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