Former New Republic editor Andrew Sullivan debates MSNBC's Chris Matthews about his piece in New York Magazine about Donald Trump: 'America Has Never Been So Ripe for Tyranny'
Is Trump a dangerous neofascist or great entertainer?
CHRIS MATTHEWS: I think you can write the history books of this year and write down he's a great entertainer from "The Apprentice." You'll write down that he appealed to something -- You can call it anything you want to call it -- Fascism. names don't mean much now, we haven't seen it in action yet. It appeals to something about nationalistic spirit, the country feels frustrated and the jobs are going away because the government isn't fighting for them.
This is in the public rhetoric today. I'm not making it up. It's working...
ANDREW SULLIVAN: [Other candidates] don't demonize sections of the population, and they don't discriminate against people based on religion. They don't claim they are going to round up and deport 11 million--
MATTHEWS: That's different -- That's the show.
SULLIVAN: No, he does them both like any reality television asshole, which is what he is. That is the character he plays--
MATTHEWS: Live tv. We don't use that word here.
SULLIVAN: He has a message but his style --
MATTHEWS: So what is he? A comedian, a side show, or he's a dangerous fascist?
SULLIVAN: He is a dangerous neofascist and he is using reality television and the media in a way that is leaving the rest of us in the dust. And it's terrifying to watch.