On MSNBC's Hardball Monday night, White House reporter April Ryan made what seemed to be a pitch for Hillary Clinton and her warm personality. The American Urban Radio Networks (AURN) reporter cited several occasions where she laughed with Clinton "sister to sister" and saw the human side of the presidential candidate.
"Chris, I've known her for about 20 years now," Ryan told host Chris Matthews. "We have more of a familiarity with each other over the decades."
"Who is she?" Matthews questioned.
"She is a very interesting person," the White House correspondent said. "She is someone with a pedigree no one else has. She's a very serious person."
"I've laughed with her on many occasions," Ryan said. "Even Saturday night I was able to joke."
"What is the difference with her sitting with you chuckling away sister to sister and what you see on TV when she gives those speeches?" Matthews inquired. "Is there a difference in personality or not?"
"You would see a very easy-going woman who would laugh. A woman who is a woman. You would see a lot of that, I guess like you said, sister to sister come through," Ryan explained.
Ryan recalled an example from a Congressional Black Caucus dinner where Hillary was momentarily confused when Ryan introduced her cousin, Rep. Ed Towns. After explaining, Ryan said the interaction ended with laugh and a selfie of the two.
"She wanted to find out about what was going on with us," Ryan said. "So, we also took a selfie. This is who Hillary Clinton is."
CHRIS MATTHEWS, "HARDBALL" HOST: Hillary Clinton... is trying to go through some sort of -- you know, transformations in political personalities are very hard to come by. And she's obviously very, what's the right word? I'm trying to get a word that doesn't offend anybody. She is careful what she says about herself. I think that is a fair way to put it. She is not happy when people try to pry into who that person is. She'd rather talk objectively about policies, I think. Right now, though, she is trying to open up by doing the entertainment shows and yukking it up with people. She's trying to show -- I don't think it's going to work, but it's clearly what she is trying to do. Did it work for you? Did she open up with you?
APRIL RYAN, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR URBAN RADIO NETWORKS: Yeah, Chris, I've known her for about 20 years now. You know when I first came to Washington --
MATTHEWS: Who is she?
RYAN: She is a very interesting person. She is someone with a pedigree no one else has. She's a very serious person, but she also is a person -- I've laughed with her on many occasions. Even Saturday night I was able to joke.
MATTHEWS: What is the difference with her sitting with you chuckling away sister to sister and what you see on TV when she gives those speeches? Is there a difference in personality or not?
RYAN: Yeah. I think because we have more of a familiarity with each other over the decades that --
MATTHEWS: If there was a secret camera in the room and you were just kidding around what would we see from Hillary?
RYAN: You would see a very easy-going woman who would laugh. A woman who is a woman. You would see a lot of that, I guess like you said, sister to sister come through. For instance, as a human piece, I was stuck at the Congressional Black Caucus Dinner with my cousin, we were standing next to each other when she came in. My cousin happens to be former Representative Ed Towns from New York... We were standing there and she came in. We were standing next to each other and I said, 'This is my cousin.'
And she said, 'really, your cousin?'
And we had to explain. She wanted to find out about what was going on with us. So, we also took a selfie. This is who Hillary Clinton is. She has to be very careful because she was the woman of diplomacy in the Obama administration. She was a Senator. You have to see her in a serious light, as well. But there is a fine line for women.