JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS: But do you -- do you think Trump could actually win the Republican nomination?
FMR. REP. NEWT GINGRICH: Trump -- Trump -- yes, I do. Trump...
KARL: You do?
GINGRICH: -- Trump has a thematic -- and Trump is playing this game. And everybody else is playing this game. And the establishment all understands this game.
Trump's game is very simple. We need somebody really, really tough.
COKIE ROBERTS: Right.
GINGRICH: I am really, really --
ROBERTS: Which he says to you...
GINGRICH: -- tough.
ROBERTS: Over and over and over again.
ROBERTS: As you remember well, a lot of the same people voted for George Wallace, the segregationist from Alabama, and George McGovern, the liberal from...
GINGRICH: That's right.
ROBERTS: South Dakota.
ROBERTS: And what we're seeing is that same kind of anger, that same kind of disgust with the establishment.