DINESH D'SOUZA: I was a bit surprised when I got into the confinement center to recognize that it was the whole gamut of criminals, from murderers and burglars, people who had been bringing people across the border, drug smugglers.
MEGYN KELLY: People like you who made illegal campaign donations.
D'SOUZA: It was a pretty rough crowd. But on the other hand, after an initial period of caution in which I kept to myself, I tried to figure out if there were gangs going on in there. I tried to figure out how I would survive over eight months of sleeping with, if you say, hoodlums.
But then after a while I figured it out, I began to talk to them and learn about their lives, I was kind of in a very unusual position few people find themselves in. Almost like an anthropologist in a strange land, there was a lot to learn.
MEGYN KELLY: You say a lot of the guys in there, even like murderers consider themselves to be small fries. Why?
DINESH D'SOUZA: Well there is a kind of shamelessness among the criminals, we want them to accept that what they did was wrong, and interestingly most of these people do. It is not like the Shawshank Redemption where they all think they are innocent, no they admit what they did is wrong, but they also have this view, kind of an ideology you might say, that they are the small fry -- that the big criminals are out there.
They're at large, they are so powerful that the system can't get them -- in fact, they are the system. So I found this to be a very provocative and interesting idea.