Fireworks: Hannity vs. British Imam Anjem Choudary: "Islam Does Not Mean Peace, It Means Submission"


Controversial British Imam Anjem Choudary joins FNC's Sean Hannity to explain his view that the West needs to be sensitive to Muslim sensitivities about mocking the Prophet Mohammed, which in the Islamic religion carries the capital punishment.

From Wednesday's broadcast of Hannity.

sean HANNITY: So what you're basically saying is freedom of expression does not extend to insulting the prophets of Allah, whatever your views on what happened in Paris. So you're saying you do not believe in freedom of speech. You don't believe in freedom of religion. You don't believe in freedom of expression. You believe in Islamic fascism, that people must abide by your laws!

ANJEM CHOUDARY, LONDON IMAM: Actually, as a Muslim, we believe sovereignty and supremacy belongs to God. And therefore, we believe in submitting to the commands of God--

HANNITY: Well, you're demanding--


HANNITY: But you're not-- no, you're demanding everybody else submit to what you believe--

CHOUDARY: No. No, what we say--

HANNITY: --and it should be--


HANNITY: Well, that's what you said. You said freedom of expression--

CHOUDARY: What we say is that--

HANNITY: Go ahead.

CHOUDARY: Well, what we say is that freedom of expression has a responsibility by those people who espouse it in the West, in particular non-Muslims. But as you know, it is, you know, changed. It is curtailed for things like incitement of hatred. And as you know, you have laws which allow, you know, the curtailment of freedom of expression for your own national security.

HANNITY: So you're saying that--


HANNITY: I get what you're saying. You're saying anything offensive about the Prophet Mohammed should be illegal, and you believe that should be worldwide. Every country should adopt that law.

CHOUDARY: Well, you know, you need to understand that in Islam, this carries capital punishment. We saw before with Theo Van Gogh--


CHOUDARY: --and Salman Rushdie--

HANNITY: But you're not answering. You're saying that every country--


CHOUDARY: --people should be aware about this already.

HANNITY: But every country should adopt that, and it's convert or die. It's either you agree with us or we will go into your newspaper--


HANNITY: --and we will slaughter you. We will put a fatwa out on you.

CHOUDARY: No. What we're saying-- what we're saying is that, you know, a quarter of the world's population revere the messenger Mohammed (INAUDIBLE) and you know, for them, they'll prefer to die themselves than to allow anyone to insult the prophet.

Now, people in the West should understand that. We live in a very unstable and insecure world today, which you can see very well now in Paris--


CHOUDARY: --what the consequences of insulting the prophet are --

HANNITY: Let me ask you a question--


CHOUDARY: And all we're saying is that the sensibilities and the emotions of Muslims must be taken into consideration in the context in which we live today.


HANNITY: I'm running out of time. You're saying this is true Islam, and you're also-- on the other hand, you say this is a peaceful religion. How is it peaceful if you believe--


HANNITY: --all these people that you disagree with?

CHOUDARY: No, Islam does not mean peace, Sean, it means submission, submission to the commands of God.

HANNITY: OK, so you want worldwide--


CHOUDARY: --peacefully with me, then we can live peacefully together. We can live peacefully together, but--


HANNITY: If we submit to your will and we're your slave, then yeah--


CHOUDARY: --as your own CIA admit, that's not peace--

HANNITY: So you want Islamofascism!

CHOUDARY: When you talk about Muslims, obviously, they will react (INAUDIBLE)

HANNITY: Yeah, so you basically want Islamofascism. You want to control everybody. Everybody--

CHOUDARY: No, we want sharia.


HANNITY: I'm not disagreeing with you. I just want to make sure. You don't call it that, but ostensibly, when you take away everybody's freedom of choice and demand that they think like you do and practice the way you do, you have taken away all freedom of thought. All right, last question--

CHOUDARY: But we're not calling for that, though, are we, Sean. I mean, you can become, you know, a Muslim if you wish. You can remain a Christian or a Jew. You can live under the sharia. This is what we're saying. We're talking about--


HANNITY: --convert of die.

CHOUDARY: --the occupation of Muslim land.

HANNITY: Convert or die, basically.


HANNITY: Convert or--

CHOUDARY: No. No. They can convert to Islam or they can live (INAUDIBLE) which is the non-Muslim living under the sharia, and--


HANNITY: --under sharia, if you have to follow your laws or die.


HANNITY: The law of the land in America--

HANNITY: Listen--

CHOUDARY: You want people to abide by the law in America. So under the sharia, you will abide by sharia law.

HANNITY: All right. Anjem Choudary, I still think you're an evil SOB.

Full transcript at FOX News.

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