Giuliani on Black Crime: "I Said The Same Thing Obama Said And I Was Accused Of Being A Racist"


CHRIS CUOMO, CNN: I got a lot of questions for you, Mr. Mayor. This is a situation that you became all too familiar with. Not riots, not fights over criminal justice. But how do you deal with situations when they go wrong.

One of the things I've been suggesting and I want your take on it, sir, is that there's a vacuum of leadership here. The explanation of why this grand jury had to find what it had to find. That you will arrested at the first moment that we are ready.

And here's how it's going to go and most importantly -- here's how we'll heal. Those are things that a leader has to say and this community seems to have a vacuum on that right now. Is that a fair criticism, sir?

FMR. NYC MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI: It's absolutely fair. In fact when we go back and study this, that should be part of it as when we went back and studied the Crown Heights riots and learned from that, there was a vacuum of leadership, a cooling off period for two days that made the riot worse.

No attempt to really bring the communities together that really worked. Obviously all that work they did since August bringing the communities together was completely for naught. This riot was worse than the one in August.

They went from bad to worse. And no one was saying the right -- no one was saying the right things. No one was talking about the fact that you can protest, you can yell, you can scream, you have every right to be very angry about this.

If you want to the first minute you throw a can, the first minute you hurt a car, the first minute you break a window, you are put in handcuffs and you are taken away. And by the way, there will be three times as many police here as you. So don't mess around with us.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN: Let me play for you, what the police chief and Ron Johnson, Captain Ron Johnson, who, of course, was heroic back over the summer for coming in and quelling some of the outcry. Here is what they said at the height of this last night.

JON BELMAR, ST. LOUIS COUNTY POLICE CHIEF: What I've seen tonight is probably much worse than the worst night we ever had in August. And that's truly unfortunate.

RON JOHNSON, MISSOURI STATE HIGHWAY PATROL: We did not see a large number out tonight and the few we saw didn't have a voice with the crowd.

CAMEROTA: It sounds like he's saying had there been more clergy interspersed in the crowd that they could have helped to abate the violence.

GIULIANI: There's no question. We have in New York, a community affairs unit, a very large, very important. They are involved in every single possible civil disturbance. They're people who know the community. They're people who work in the community.

They're employed by the city, but they work in the community and they sometimes can ameliorate some of the anger between the police and I don't know, honestly it wouldn't be fair to criticize, I don't know if they had such a thing. But they should have had that.

CAMEROTA: And Mr. Mayor, I want to ask you about some controversial comments that you made on "Meet the Press" over the weekend. You seem to be suggesting that the real focus here should be black-on-black violence. And that white cops wouldn't have to go into black communities if black communities could sort of better police themselves.

GIULIANI: I said the same thing the president the United States said and I was accused of being a racist. The president of the United States said because the minorities typically are subject to more crime, they need law enforcement more than anybody else. When he said it, he wasn't accused of being a racist.

When I said it my adversary said I was a racist. The point is no New York City the way you determine where we put our police is not racially. We determine it by the numbers. If there are large amounts of crime in this community, we put more police there. If we didn't do that, we would be racist. If I put all my police on Park Avenue and none of my police where five times more crime is taking place, then I would be accused of being a racist. The police follow where the crime is committed. And this is possibly because of our history of racism.

Possibly because of social problems, other problems that we're not dealing with, but the amount of crime in the black community is excessive, 70 to 75 percent of the murders in New York City are committed by blacks.

Now I don't say that out of any racial motivation. I say that as a factual statement and as a plea, please, do something about that. When the president was talking last night about training the police, of course, the police should be trained.

He also should have spent 15 minutes on -- training the community to stop killing each other. In numbers that are incredible, incredible, 93 percent of blacks are shot by other blacks. They are killing each other.

And the racial arsonists, who enjoyed last night, this was their day of glory, the racial arsonists. They don't talk about that. When do you hear them talk about how do we really reduce crime. What are the causes? What about family problems? How do we solve them?

CAMEROTA: Wouldn't it also help to have police officers who know the community? Whereas, Darren Wilson didn't know Ferguson, he wasn't from Ferguson.

GIULIANI: It does help. But we've had some terrible shootings by police officers who knew the community. And some police officers will tell you, that the police officers that know the community are tougher sometimes more difficult than the ones who don't.

I think, I think this is a situation in which people have to stop committing so much crime. If you commit 75 percent of the murders in a city, 75 percent of your police presence is going to be concentrated on you.

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