JIM ACOSTA, CNN: When was the president first made aware of these problems? Of these fraudulent lists that were being kept to hide the wait times, when was he first made aware of those problems? And when did other White House officials, top White House officials, become aware of these problems?
JAY CARNEY: When you say these problems, the fact that there have been bureaucracies --
ACOSTA: The delays have been known for some time.
CARNEY: You mean the specific allegations that I think were reported first by your news network out of Phoenix, I believe. We learned about them through the reports. I will double check if that is not the case.
But that is when we learned about them and that is when I understand Secretary Shinseki learned about them, and he immediately took the action that he has taken.