BILL O'REILLY: Joining us now from New Orleans, Democratic strategist James Carville. First of all, I will ask the same question I asked Charles [Krauthammer]. Do you think President Obama lied in the run up to Obamacare?
JAMES CARVILLE: Well, I think he could have said, I think the more accurate statement would have been that you will keep your coverage unless you are an individual market and have a so-called insurance policy that doesn't meet the basic requirements. You know, just calling something health insurance doesn't make it health insurance. I can insure you for ovarian cancer and that doesn't make it health insurance.
O'REILLY: I'm a guy. Look, Charles' thesis and Clarence Page basically said, he knew it, he's smart enough, it was signature deal, and he went out and he mislead the American public because he wanted it to pass and he thought he would get away from it because the president are lackeys. And you say?
CARVILLE: This was reported in the New York Times in June of 2010. Senator Enzi wanted to have hearings on this very thing. Investigating this and finding this is like investigating and coming up to the conclusion that water is wet. They had this basic level --
O'REILLY: Only in the last few weeks have they put the screws to the president over healthcare. Come on, you knew that.
CARVILLE: But this is not -- you always knew that under the Affordable Care Act you had to have certain minimum requirements. Some of these policies may not even cover hospitalizations --
O'REILLY: It doesn't matter what the fine print says. No, James, the president of the United States on five occasions looked into the camera and said, 'You know what? If you like your policy, you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep it.' That's what matters.
CARVILLE: Again, the more accurate thing would have been to say as long as your policy meets the basic standards of Affordable Care Act.
O'REILLY: Alright, but he didn't say that, did he?
CARVILLE: One of the things no one says is if you get subsidies. When you say it costs more, that's not necessarily the truth.
O'REILLY: Some people get subsidies and some don't.
CARVILLE: Exactly. Some people do, right. That's absolutely true. And the only way you could insure sick people is that you have well people in the pool.
O'REILLY: That's what I said.
CARVILLE: That's what it is about.
O'REILLY: The bottom line is the president of the United States mislead the nation. Now, do you think he did it intentionally or just he didn't want to know?
CARVILLE: First of all, it was reported in the press.
O'REILLY: I don't care about the press. He mislead the nation. Did he do it on purpose or not?
CARVILLE: I think -- I don't think he -- I think what he could have made is a more nuanced, accurate statement.
O'REILLY: Did he do it on purpose or not?
CARVILLE: I have no idea. I don't think he actually mislead the nation. I think he could have got a more accurate statement.
O'REILLY: Come on.
CARVILLE: Well, you asked me. I'm just giving you my opinion.
O'REILLY: His words are his words.
CARVILLE: Again, Bill, these policies in the individual market --
O'REILLY: That's not what he said! That's not what he said! What he said was misleading, James.
CARVILLE: You keep interrupting.
O'REILLY: I keep interrupting because you are pettifogging the issue.
CARVILLE: No, I'm not pettifogging the issue. I'm merely saying that calling something health insurance doesn't make it health insurance, and that is what the point is.
O'REILLY: He said five separate times if you want to keep your policy, you will be able to, if you want to keep your doctor, you will be able to and it's going to bring don't health costs for most Americans. All false, all false.