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Rand Paul: "I Don't Think Shutting Down The Government Is A Good Idea"

JOHN ROBERTS, HOST: Let me switch gears and talk to you about ObamaCare because that is going to be a big topic of discussion when Congress comes back in a couple of weeks, you support the defunding of ObamaCare. But you have recently acknowledged that you don't believe that it's going to happen, it won't get through the Senate. Your only lever then to defund ObamaCare maybe to not approve the continuing resolution or one that includes funding -- that would shut down the government, which you have stated publicly you don't think is a good idea.

So, what do you really have left here, Senator?

SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY): Well, I don't think shutting down the government is a good idea. But I do think we were elected -- conservatives were elected -- to try to stop this overreach, this government takeover of health care. It's not going to be good for the American public. I think insurance premiums will rise. I think the people they want to help, precisely the working class and the poor who don't have insurance I think still won't have insurance and they're going to have a penalty.

So, what I would say is people want us to stand up and fight. I'm willing to stand up and fight. We should use the leverage of controlling one third of the government. We don't control all the government, but Republicans control the House of Representatives. They should stand up, use that power to at the very least make this law less bad, delay it, do something we can to protect the American public from this law.

Or if we do nothing, we're just saying to the president, "Hey, you get your way." But that's not really what the government is about. When the government is divided, we should use the leverage of controlling at least part of government to try to get the law more to our liking.

ROBERTS: You've talked about trying to pass a bill to defund ObamaCare in the House. It wouldn't pass the Senate. You've tried to come up with some sort of compromise in conference, it might delay implementation of the individual mandate, but there are plenty of bills that have gone to conference that have not worked out in the end. There is not compromise. And so, the laws enacted as it is.

Do you think that is going to happen in this case?

PAUL: You know, I don't know. I think there is always a great desire not to shut the government down and to use that desire to try to get a compromise. And I think you ultimately -- you could in conference committee either make the law less bad or delay the individual mandate or delay the whole thing. Even the president is very concerned about this law because he is delaying the employer mandate, because he is concerned maybe about what will happen in the elections, when it is seen that insurance premiums go up and actually, there are more problems than there are benefits.

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