Ifill vs. Van Susteren On Gun Violence: Rappers Not Responsible For Deaths


VAN SUSTEREN: You know what -- really, we should take a look a little bit more at ourselves, from top to bottom. I mean, we have so much violence surrounding us that we think is OK. When we go to the movies, we see it, it's OK. Obviously, you can't legislate against things like that. Even the president of the United States sends rappers to the White House who say horrible things. Nobody's scandalized. I mean, there's no sort of effort for us to sort of looking at ourselves and how we're so -- we're so -- we're numb to violence in our culture.

IFILL: I'm trying to figure out whether any rappers have resulted in the deaths of schoolchildren. I don't think so.

VAN SUSTEREN: No, I don't think it's all schoolchildren. There were two firefighters that were murdered on December 24th. They weren't schoolchildren. It's a -- this -- this has put a highlight on the problem.

IFILL: But as George points out, every weekend there are people killed on street corners in Chicago. And if you look back over the president's statements about gun violence in the wake of Newtown and you look at what people like Secretary Arne Duncan have had to say, they always talk about the broader idea of violence, not just about guns...

VAN SUSTEREN: Talk about...


IFILL: ... and so that what's on the table right now for Vice President Biden and the people who are trying to figure out what to do is a wide range of issues, some of it having to do with gun control, some of it has to do with speaking to gun violence. That's the only way you're going to get...


IFILL: But what happens most of the time in Washington...

VAN SUSTEREN: Gwen, I don't think it's just...

IFILL: ... is these things come up and then they fade after the shock.

VAN SUSTEREN: Gwen, I don't think Washington can necessarily answer the question for the nation. What I -- what I'm trying to point out is that we all have to look at ourselves, as well, and look at how well we do -- even like that PSA that Hollywood artists put out for gun control the other day, and then side by side, some group put all the violent movies they're in. I mean, this is a big discussion, a big national narrative that we all have to look at ourselves in terms of how our culture has now become to accept violence as an answer to problems, as a solution to problems. We see that on TV and movies all over.

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