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Administration Avoiding FOX, Willie Nelson's Arrest; 'Teen Mom' Star Attacks Woman - Part 2

Bill O'reilly, Dick Morris, Karl Rove, Dennis Miller, Dagen



Date: March 30, 2011>

Time: 20:00>

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Type: Show>

Head: Trump for President; Dennis Miller Opines on Trump Interview, Obama

Administration Avoiding FOX, Willie Nelson's Arrest; 'Teen Mom' Star

Attacks Woman - Part 2>

Sect: News; Domestic>

Byline: Bill O'Reilly, Dick Morris, Karl Rove, Dennis Miller, Dagen

McDowell >

Guest: Donald Trump>

Spec: Politics; Republicans; Elections; Economy; Government; Business;

Labor; Immigration; Children; Television and Radio; Violence>

And at times he comes across as the rich guy who thinks he's really rich and really smart. When you -- when you tell people, I went to the best college, and I had good grades, and I'm really worth a lot of money, you know, it's different than having gone to a good college and gotten good grades and be worth a lot of money. The first grates; you know, the second is a fact. He can't change the facts, but he can avoid making it grate.But you know, Bill, we're sitting here looking at strengths and weaknesses. Let's step back, because there's one big unanswered question. He runs a very successful television program, The Apprentice and people come and interview for a job with him.

When you run for president, you're interviewing for a job. First with Republicans and independents who vote in the Republican primaries, and then with the American people. And the question is, is he going to be willing to do what is necessary to go out there and shake hands in Iowa and New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina?

O'REILLY: I asked him that. And on Friday we're going to get into that. It's pretty funny.

But you know, look, he is what they call a true believer. I mean, he -- when he says something, he believes it. So he believes that the Iraqis hate us. Wait until you hear tomorrow he talks about Iraq and what we should do in Iraq right now. I'm not going to tell everybody what it is. But it is so outrageous what Donald Trump says. If I'm president I'm going to do this in Iraq. And when you hear it, your head will snap back.

So he -- and he believes it. He's not a phony. He's putting forth.

But in this climate right now where we have a relatively inexperienced president, Barack Obama, who came out of nowhere, was not -- yes, he was a party player, but he didn't really have a very good resume, compared to most Democrats that ran against him, including Hillary Clinton. OK. I don't know. I think in America today, people are so fed up, so angry, that a guy like that might be able to break through, because he's going to blow the other ones right off the stage unless the other ones go after him.

ROVE: Well, remember what it took. It took a Hillary Clinton campaign that had absolutely no message except You owe it to me. I put up with that guy for eight years in the White House, and now it's my turn. That was her message. And Obama got by her.

And as you remember, between March and June, Hillary Clinton got more votes than Barack Obama did. He won the nomination, because he won those early caucus states, not because everybody fell in love with him. And then in the general election, he beat -- you know, John McCain was ahead until the -- until the melt down, six weeks out before the election with the -- with the financial crisis. But he ran a lousy campaign.

So you -- most of the time, even novices, remember Ronald Reagan? He was - - he was a not very smart anchor from California. Well, he'd been the governor of the biggest state in the union for eight years, California.

So Americans do want their presidents, by and large, you want them to be people who get things done and have experience. That's going to be Trump's big disadvantage going into this election, because people are going to be looking back and saying, we've got the guy without the experience who said the things that sounded good. And guess what? That hasn't worked out for us too well.

O'REILLY: All right. So experience you believe is going to matter.

Now, is Trump making a mistake with the birther deal? It gets him a hell of a lot of attention.

ROVE: Huge, huge.

O'REILLY: Wait, let me frame it. Let me frame it. It gets Trump a lot of attention. He knows the Republican base thinks this issue is suspicious. He knows that. All right, the rabid Republican base, the right wing likes the issue, because they feel that there's something there. All right. It's an easy issue for him to put forth. It gets him an enormous amount of detention, so what's the downside?

ROVE: Well, A, first of all, I disagree with your assumption. The right- wing base of the Republican Party -- I'm part of that right-wing base -- is not in love with the issue of birthers. I mean, there is an element inside the Republican Party and outside the Republican Party that's fallen in love with this. But the vast majority of Republicans and the vast majority of Americans accept that he's a U.S. citizen and capable of being president. And this is a distraction.

And to the degree that he -- to the prevalent thing in the interview tonight was he said, as time has gone on here over the last couple of weeks he's become more interested and more believing of the issue. You know, when he first brought it up, he said, Of course, I accept that he's a citizen. He ought to just release his birth certificate. Different tone today.

This is a mistake. It will marginalize him. And he's falling for Barack Obama's trap. Barack Obama wants Republicans to fall into this trap, because he knows it discredits us with the vast majority of American people when they do.

O'REILLY: All right. Mr. Rove, thanks very much. Appreciate it, as always.

When we come right back, it will be Miller Time. The D-man, he wants to weigh in on the Trump interview, as well. Of course we'll let him. And the Obama administration avoiding Chris Wallace on Libya. Miller is next.


O'REILLY: Thanks for staying with us. I'm Bill O'Reilly.

In the Miller Time segment tonight, the sage of Southern California was on the edge of his seat during the Trump interview. Now, I can't really see your seat, Miller, but I know you're on the edge of it. He joins us now from Los Angeles.

All right. So what do you think?

DENNIS MILLER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, first off, Billy, I've got to tell, I did a gig in Shelton, Washington, the other night at a casino. A guy comes up to me back stage. He goes, Dennis, will you autograph my book for me?

I go, Sure. He hands me Bold Fresh.

O'REILLY: Take credit for writing it. It sold more than a million copies, Miller. So take credit.

MILLER: I'm signing your books for God's sakes.

Anyway, Trump, listen, I just like the idea that -- first off, I think Barack Obama was born here. I know his devotees think he was born in Bethlehem; his detractors think he was born on Mars. I think he was born in Hawaii.

But I'll tell you what. I find it really intoxicating that, in these politically correct times, where the whole country is storming out on each other, that he would sit there and just say it like that. That makes me want to vote for him in and of itself.

And as far as his plan for Iraq, which you said he reveals tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised if he said we should give them casinos, because it worked with the Native Americans. Maybe it would cool them out over there.

O'REILLY: Miller, I've got to tell you, let me stop you right now. I'm not hyping this. When the audience hears what Donald Trump says he will do if he's elected president about Iraq, your head will snap back. OK? It is just -- that's why I'm holding it back to tomorrow. Go ahead.

MILLER: Listen, you've got to admit it's cathartic.

O'REILLY: Absolutely.

MILLER: In a world where everybody's -- where everybody's fidgety, he's decisive. You put him up there next to an android like Huntsman and Trump is just -- you're thinking, I'll vote for him just for the carnival at this point.

But he's also very smart. I think not only will the buck stop there with Trump, I think it will stop at American people's wallet. Because I think he understands the bully pulpit in a business sense. He talks about China and how much we owe them. And you know what? The simple fact is they lent us too much. They're as leveraged as we are now. What are they going to let us walk away?

O'REILLY: Trump gets into that tomorrow. And he goes after the Chinese, which is pretty entertaining, as well. But I asked Rove this question. Do you think that at this point, because if you -- if you're really serious about voting for Donald Trump, you're taking a chance. Because he's outside the box. You don't know what his policy is. You don't know what's hyperbole, what he says he'll do, and what he can really do. Because he's got to deal with Congress. Come on. Congress is not going to OK a lot of these stuff.

So you want a guy like this who just shakes it up, who turns the White House into a golf club. I mean, there will be nine holes on the -- you know, we'll be teeing off right next to the Washington Monument. I mean, anything could happen with this guy at the helm. And I love him. I love Don. You know that. But is the country ready for that kind of change?

MILLER: No. But I am. I voted for Ross Perot, because I wanted Ross Perot to mistake the queen of England for Ruth Buzzy. I liked that whole vibe. And I guarantee you, if he's teeing off with people, it's going to be right at Muslamic (ph) heads. When a guy looks you in the eyes and says, Of course we've got an Islamic problem, I find that so...

O'REILLY: It's refreshing, but if you were in power, there would be blowback like you couldn't believe. You know, you can taunt the Chinese if you're the Celebrity Apprentice guy. If you're in the White House and you're going, Hey, Ling Chow. Knock it off, there's going to be a little blowback from that.

MILLER: Is this working? Is the way we're doing this all working?

O'REILLY: Not working.

MILLER: You see the world going to hell in a hand basket. Why not let this guy in here? I think periodically there's a guy like Gadhafi. He's a slug. You've got to keep him on his toes. You've got to go back on him. And I think Trump after spending 16 weeks on a TV show with Gary Busey is going to look at Gadhafi and think he's Art Linkletter, for God's sake.

O'REILLY: And they -- are they still bombing Gary's house, by the way, to try to get him out of office?

MILLER: Yes. But Gary doesn't notice it. Gary doesn't notice it.

O'REILLY: Yes, he wouldn't though. All right. Bernie Goldberg took off on the Hillary Clinton and Gates avoiding Chris Wallace on FOX News Sunday about Libya. And you say?

MILLER: I don't think it's a war on FOX, but I think it's a kinetic military action.

Listen, they can't send these guys out. They're on a shorter leash than an autoasphyxiative pit bull, for God's sakes. After Clapper went out and said the Muslim Brotherhood was secular and Hillary said that -- what was her latest thing? Hillary said that...

O'REILLY: Assad was a reformer.

MILLER: Yes, Assad was a reformer, for God's sakes. They can't send somebody out with a guy like Chris Wallace. He's going to lay them out.

You know something? Guys like Gates and Hillary, Obama's core beliefs are such a fluid situation that they have to put football helmets on them when they send them out with earphones like a coach with a quarterback, in case they have to call an inaudible halfway through the interview.

O'REILLY: It's changed. It's changed. The play has changed. The play has changed.

MILLER: Red. Say it red. Red, check, red.

O'REILLY: All right. Now on the subject of sports, Miller's a big college basketball fan. Heading down to Houston for the Final Four. Is that correct?

MILLER: Yes, I did not see Butler VCU coming. I had Devry vs. The College of Cardinals.

But I'm going to head down there, Billy. There's good news and bad news with the Final Four weekend. I think it's the preeminent family-friendly sport event in the United States of America, so I can't wait to get down to Houston. But here's the downside to it. I just looked at my travel itinerary. They booked my lodging inside Willie Nelson's tour bus.

O'REILLY: Then you'll have a real good time, Miller.

MILLER: Which is why...

O'REILLY: A contact high. You know what I'm talking about?

MILLER: They said I could have a seat in smoking or more smoking.

O'REILLY: You know, I mean, who's driving that bus? Who -- you know, they're wearing a big Andromeda Strain suit. You'd have to to drive the bus. You'd have to be in the big suit, right? The Japan nuclear guys. Their suit isn't big enough to keep them from not getting high on that thing.

MILLER: You know, you've got to wear a Hurt Locker suit when you're at the...

O'REILLY: Willie's bus. It's Willie, let's pull over.

All right. Dennis Miller, everybody.

Did You See That? in a moment. Serena Williams, is she too hot for the Net? Could be. And we're not talking tennis net here, either. Right back.


O'REILLY: Back of the Book segment tonight, Did You See That? Viewer warning: we have some, you know, a little raunchy content featuring Serena Williams. You might not like that.

But first, there's a program on MTV called Teen Moms. Some believe it's trashy, encourages teenage pregnancy.

One of the people on the program is 19-year-old Jenelle Evans. Apparently, Ms. Evans got into a brawl off camera, which was played out on the Net.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get her, Jenelle. Get her. Get it. Get it, Jenelle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's what you get.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give it up. You're done.


O'REILLY: I'm sure Miss Evans is very proud of herself. With us now to analyze, FOX business anchor Dagen McDowell.

All right, look, the only reason we bring this to people's attention there is because there's almost an industry of trash now in America. And this woman is part of it. Do you think this was staged to get her publicity?

DAGEN MCDOWELL, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Well, her attorney says that she -- that she was the target of this incident. So -- but it does beg the question, you have -- this is Jenelle Evans.

O'REILLY: She's charged. She's charged, right?

MCDOWELL: She was -- she was charged. The other girl, Britany Truett, who was in the fight, was also charged. And I'll explain in a second. There's a third girl who pushes Jenelle, who was also charged.

All three of them, the D.A. and the county in North Carolina got wind of this, down in Brunswick County, North Carolina, because this video wound up on the Internet. So he started investigating. He got the cops involved. And in a day or two, all three of them were charged with a fray, which is essentially disorderly conduct or fighting in public.

And then the girl who is being hit, who's on the bottom there, Britany Truett, turned around and pressed assault charges against Jenelle and the other girl.

O'REILLY: All right. What started this fight?

MCDOWELL: There was a push -- a boy. They were fighting over a boy. A boy who's on -- who is featured in this MTV show.

O'REILLY: I've got to tell you, I think it's a publicity stunt. And it's just as quick.

MCDOWELL: You know, you've got these people filming this stuff.

O'REILLY: That's why, Dagen. They can do this crappy stuff, and it gets publicity. And that's what they want. They don't care.

MCDOWELL: She has -- Jenelle has been charges...

O'REILLY: Serena Williams, big-time tennis star. She stars in a commercial, I guess. And it's not playing on TV, but it is on the Net. Roll the tape.



GRAPHIC: The world's sexiest tennis player. The world's sexiest tennis gamer.


O'REILLY: So it's on a Net. It's a video game that she's hawking?

MCDOWELL: I know. That's how I want to play tennis, wearing a black leotard and some fish nets.

O'REILLY: That's what it's coming to. MTV is going to have pro tennis, and they'll be wearing that.

MCDOWELL: This was an advertisement that was apparently made. It's for Top Spin 4. It's a video game by 2K. But it got out because the other girl featured in this video -- you see her right there -- Rileah Vanderbilt tweeted about it and tweeted to a link of the video.

O'REILLY: This is like a Wii game that you can play tennis?

MCDOWELL: Actually, yes. But that's not what the video game looks like. You can you kind of see a glimpse of what a real video game looks like.

O'REILLY: So the video -- the video game is a tennis game. Right?

MCDOWELL: Exactly.

O'REILLY: It has nothing to do with Serena and the other one.

MCDOWELL: Serena is a character in it, but the other girl is not. There is the real video game. See that? It looks like tennis without the leather. You know, I imagine some of them in little leather...

O'REILLY: You know what it's all about, Dagen. And you're a business correspondent, so you know this is true. It is about getting attention, breaking through the clutter. And that's why the fight happened, and that's why Serena did this.

MCDOWELL: But call me the cynic. Because here's what the company did really quickly, that they'd pursue a variety of creative avenues when they're coming up with their marketing.

O'REILLY: Of course they do.

MCDOWELL; This video is not part of the title's final marketing campaign. It's distribution was unauthorized.

O'REILLY: Just got out there somehow. All right, Dagen. Dagen McDowell, everybody.

Pinheads Patriots in a moment. Brian Kilmeade and Susan Lucci in a scandalous display this morning. You're not going to believe it. P P, moments away.


O'REILLY: Pinheads Patriots, starring Brian Kilmeade and Susan Lucci in a rather bizarre display.

But first, big reaction to our garden giveaway. Buy 20 bucks worth of stuff on We'll send you The Factor garden kit free of charge. Free, free! Because we know you guys are going to like it. By buying Factor or -- and/or becoming a premium member, you help many fine charities. So we hope you check this out.

Now the mail.

Frank Cierney, Chesterfield, Michigan: Bill, still cannot get over your views on Libya and intervention. Once we use our military for humanitarian purposes, become a judgmental power which instills our values.

You know, here's a bulletin for you, Frank. USA has been doing that since World War II. That's what the Cold War was about. Installing our values rather than communist doctrine.

Dick Addison, Camarita, California: Bill, why do you allow Alan Colmes to get away with saying Americans were lied to relied to regarding Iraq?

I challenge him every time he says it, Dick. Last night I used the example of The New York Times running front-page stories about Iraq's mass destruction weapons. But all of our contributors can say what they want to say. What, do I allow it? What am I supposed to do keep them after The Factor ? Keep him after school? Come on. They're allowed to say what they want.

Jim White, Oviedo, Florida: O'Reilly, cannot believe you suggest Congressman Weiner might be hypocritical for supporting Libya but not Iraq. President Bush did not intervene in Iraq on humanitarian grounds.

That is true. But the situation is very similar, Jim. In both countries brutal dictators caused trouble for the USA and the world. The humanitarian business in legit in Libya, but the overriding issue for Mr. Obama is getting rid of Gadhafi, just as Bush wanted to get rid of Saddam. And late today, as we said, that is now a reality. He signed a paper saying get rid of him, get rid of Gadhafi.

Martin Desmond, Los Angeles: O'Reilly, you're talking points memo was dead on. The left is guilty of shameless hypocrisy.

Melissa Basquette, Fall Branch, Tennessee: I was very impressed with David Schwimmer. I truly admire his efforts to educate the public and children about the dangers on the Net.

Colonel Ray Casinawa, Fort Worth, Texas: I have added Mr. Schwimmer's charity to my list of worthy causes to support.

John Johnson, Hemet, California: Bill, have you considered having Schwimmer play Jesse Watters in Watters' World ?

Well, we might be able to get away with it. Look, OK. One has got to get the hair up a little. Got to take the tie off. A little resemblance. But you'd have to him hypnotize him to get him to do it.

Ryan Ruzminiski, Portsmouth, Virginia: Mr. O, I am 16 and have read 'Pinheads Patriots,' 'Bold Fresh,' and 'Culture Warrior.' What's next?

Way to go, Ryan? Killing Lincoln is my next book. It will be out in September. The untold story about the assassination of the country's greatest president. It's like a thriller. You're going to love it. And a bright guy like you, Ryan, you're really going to love it.

And Aileen MacPherson, Kent, Washington: Bill, how can I donate my frequent flier miles to Fisher House?

Well, we have a link to that fine charity on, Aileen. And you're a patriot just for thinking about it. I hope you go ahead and do it.

And finally tonight, Pinheads Patriots, TV side. This morning on FOX Friends, our pal Brian Kilmeade got a lesson from soap opera star Susan Lucci on kissing.


GRETCHEN CARLSON, CO-HOST, FOX FRIENDS : As Erica Cain on All My Children, she has done tons of kisses on the air. But how do you really do the soap opera kiss? Well, she's going to show us right now with Brian.


SUSAN LUCCI, SOAP OPERA STORY: It depends on the guy, how the guy...

KILMEADE: Five seconds. You can even go like this.

STEVE DOOCY, CO-HOST, FOX FRIENDS : Five, four, three, two...

CARLSON: Aah! What a way to end the show. Log on to for more making out.


O'REILLY: Kilmeade taken to the hospital immediately after that. He is in guarded condition.

So are both Kilmeade and Ms. Lucci pinheads or patriots for being bold and fresh? You can vote on

Last night we showed you Lindsey Graham saying this about the cost of the action in Libya.


SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: We made mistakes in Iraq. And to my fellow Republican friends nobody complained about the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan on our watch. So I'm really tired of hearing people talking about it costs too much.


O'REILLY: Fifty-three percent say Senator Graham is a pinhead for that opinion. Forty-seven percent believe he's a patriot for being honest.

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