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Interview with Senator Rand Paul

Gretchen Carlson, Brian Kilmeade, Steve Doocy

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Date: February 16, 2011>

Time: 08:10>

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Type: Show>

Head: Interview with Senator Rand Paul>

Sect: News; International>

Byline: Gretchen Carlson, Brian Kilmeade, Steve Doocy>

Guest: Senator Rand Paul>

Spec: Barack Obama; Congress; Budget; Governmentt>

GRETCHEN CARLSON, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: The key to figuring out the budget is whether or not there will actually be a negotiation between Democrats and Republicans because yesterday you had the president come out and do a press conference. Many are arguing that he did this to as sort of damage control, that it wasn't always planned, because the reaction from Republicans and many Democrats was not good to f his budget proposal.And then when he was asked about, hey, Mr. President, why did you not use any recommendations from the debt commission that you earlier said you might in your budget, here's what he had to say.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: So this is not a matter of you go first or I go first. This is a matter of everybody having a serious conversation about where we want to go and then ultimately getting in that boat at the same time so it doesn't tip over. And I think that can happen.


STEVE DOOCY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: OK. Joining us for a little commentary right now is Doctor -- Senator Rand Paul from the Russell Rotunda.

Good morning to you, sir.

SEN. RAND PAUL, R-KY: Good morning.

DOOCY: OK. So the president of the United States yesterday said hey, let's not be impatient. This isn't one of these things where I go first or you go first. Shouldn't he have gone first?

PAUL: Well, I think he's not really showing much for boldness or leadership. You know look at this. We had an election and everybody in our country now is concerned about the debt, so he gave us a budget plan that's going to spend $46 trillion over 10 years and it's going to double the debt.

He's going to add $13 trillion to our debt. It's inexcusable and it just shows that he doesn't want to lead the country.

BRIAN KILMEADE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: But it also shows also you have on the record now, Congressman Ryan, saying when we release our budget in April at the latest, it will have cuts into nondiscretionary spending.

So that shows that Republicans will go first.

PAUL: Yes. I think so. I think we have to show leadership because it looks like the president has abdicated. He's taken the easy way out. And the thing is, is we've got serious problems. I mean, we have to be very bold. We have to look at the entire budget.

We can't look at just one small sliver of the nonmilitary discretionary spending. We've got to look at the whole budget or you don't have any chance of correcting the problem.

CARLSON: All right. So we're actually looking at the whole budget right now in a pie chart for the 2012 federal spending. And when you break it down, I mean if you add up Medicare and Social Security, that is a huge chunk. And that's what we're calling the entitlement portion of it.

Senator, why did the president -- after alluding to the fact that he might be willing to cut entitlements, why didn't he go first?

PAUL: Well, I think everybody seems to be afraid of it. But you know during my campaign, I was attacked in the Republican primary and in the general election by the Democrats because I had said, you know what, to fix Social Security, we have to gradually let the age rise.

But I'm not afraid to say it and, in fact, in the next week or two, we're going to introduce a bill that will fix Social Security really in perpetuity. It can be done. It just takes people who are unafraid to talk about issues that are difficult.

CARLSON: So what -- so what would you do, Senator? What is the bill going to say?

PAUL: I think -- well, we don't have all the details yet, but it will include talking about gradually raising the age on those who are 55 and under and it's really something that has to be done. Most young people acknowledge it and what I worry about is if we don't do it, there may not be Social Security for anyone if we don't fix the program.

DOOCY: Sure. All right. So that has to do with the budget and the long- term effects of the budget.

Meantime, on Capitol Hill, also they're worried about the continuing resolution, because the government is going to run out of money in less than two weeks.

Harry Reid -- Senator, listen to this. Here he is saying that if the government does shut down, blame those darn Republicans.


SEN. HARRY REID, D-NEV., SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: Of course, shut down is possible because that's what the Republicans are threatening us on national TV, Meet the Press or one of those dandies, whatever the show was.

The Republican leader was asked, and I'm paraphrasing, is there going to be a government shut down? He wouldn't respond to the question.


DOOCY: Senator?

PAUL: I don't think any of the Republicans want a government shutdown. We don't want to default. I keep saying, why don't we spend what we have? We bring in $200 billion a month. There is no reason for the government to ever shut down. What that is, is they're creating a false argument. They want it to be either or, either you do it our way or we shut down government.

This happens at all levels of government. In local communities, what's the first thing they do if they don't pass the budget? They turn off the lights at the little league ballpark.

DOOCY: Right.

PAUL: Because they want everybody to be up in arms but they want what they want. So really this should be Republicans and Democrats getting together and saying, this debt is enormous, let's start cutting spending. But the president has introduced something the opposite. $46 trillion over 10 years. They're not serious and they didn't get the message.

KILMEADE: But I do think some Democrats are serious. Senator Kent Conrad seems very serious and others.

PAUL: I agree.

KILMEADE: And others who for the first time in two years are willing to take on the president on this. They seem legitimately crestfallen.

PAUL: Right. I think there are some Democrats in the Senate and in the House who recognize the problem. It's just this budget that came out of the administration doesn't appear to recognize a problem.

So I agree with you. It's not that there are no Democrats recognizing the problem. I think there are some that may come along as we start talking about trying to correct the debt problem.

KILMEADE: Yes. The other one was Senator Chris Coons.

PAUL: Put the president's budget -- yes.

KILMEADE: Yes, the other one, Senate Chris Coons that understands it.

PAUL: I would agree with you.

CARLSON: All right. Senator, let me ask you this about the Patriot Act because it was actually voted in for a 90-day extension after the first vote failed.

First of all, you voted against it. Correct?

PAUL: Yes.

CARLSON: All right. So I want to know why you did that and then why it wasn't a permanent extension.

PAUL: Well, you know some conservatives are big defenders of the second amendment. I am. Some liberals are big defenders of the First Amendment. And there are some of us who believe the whole Bill of Rights ought to be defended.

And really I don't think you can protect the Second Amendment if you don't believe in the Fourth Amendment.

DOOCY: Right.

PAUL: It's very important that judges sign warrants. We shouldn't allow the government to snoop into our personal lives and our records without having some judicial restraint.

DOOCY: Right.

PAUL: It's really one of the reasons why we fought the revolution. James Otis wrote about general warrants signed by soldiers. We want judges to sign warrants and approve of searcher before they happen.

KILMEADE: Right. But that was when they had muskets. Now we have dirty bombs. So Senator --

PAUL: Well, the interesting thing is --

KILMEADE: Right. But have you talked to law enforcement about this and found out the reasoning behind requesting the Patriot Act?

PAUL: Right. Well, the interesting thing is that we have a court, a special secret court that has federal judges called the FISA court.

DOOCY: Right.

PAUL: Before the Patriot Act, there were no warrants being turned down. In fact, 9/11 could have been stopped perhaps had we asked for a warrant. We didn't even ask for the warrant. So it's not that we were turned down from getting a warrant on Moussaoui.


PAUL: We never asked for one.

DOOCY: Sure.

PAUL: There was a real breakdown and what still galls me to this day is that after 9/11, no person was fired and no person was reprimanded.


PAUL: We gave medals of Honor to everyone in intelligence and we had a horrible breakdown of intelligence.

KILMEADE: Right. Right. But Senator Paul, do you think that law enforcement wants this because they want to take away your rights or do you think this is the best way they think they can keep us protected?

PAUL: I think they're well intentioned and I think there are good people on the other side of this issue, but I think there are also good people on my side. I want to stop terrorism and I'm for searching terrorists. I'm for keeping terrorists out of our country. But I do want some kind of check-off.

Right now these laws are written to search U.S. citizens as well. We had 200,000 searches over the last 10 years. 200,000 written by FBI agents with no review by a judge.

DOOCY: Right.

PAUL: This is not -- this is historically the way it's worked. We had protections from the 4th Amendment that said U.S. citizens at the very least should be able to go before a court and say, Mr. Judge or your honor.



KILMEADE: But speed matters.

PAUL: Is it reasonable or unreasonable? Well, but we -- for example, if tonight in your town they have a rapist on the loose in your neighborhood, at 2:00 in the morning the police will not barge into his house.

DOOCY: That's right.

PAUL: They will call a judge and the judge at 2:00 in the morning almost always gives a warrant.

DOOCY: Right.

PAUL: But it's one step of restraint where the judge hears it and the police officer can't barge into your house.

DOOCY: You're absolutely right. OK.

PAUL: Most of us like that.

DOOCY: Sure. All right. Senator, thank you very much for joining us.

PAUL: Thank you.

DOOCY: With your perspective on what's going on up there on Capitol Hill.

PAUL: Thank you.


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