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Giuliani & Ferraro on "Hannity & Colmes"

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COLMES: Tonight, Geraldine Ferraro will be here to respond to this emerging controversy. First, we start with our top story tonight. According to reports today, Republicans are feeling pretty good about their chances against Barack Obama. Republican strategists told the Reuters news service today that Barack Obama has a glass jaw and that he may be easier for John McCain to run against than Hillary Clinton. Today's national Gallup tracking poll gives Senator McCain a one point lead nationally over Senator Obama and a 2 point lead over Senator Clinton in a head to head race. Joining us now is McCain supporter and former presidential candidate himself, former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani: Thank you so much.

RUDY GIULIANI: Alan it's good to be back.

COLMES: What went wrong?

GIULIANI: With my campaign? John McCain beat me.

COLMES: How much times do you play it over in your mind.

GIULIANI: I don't, not much. A little bit. Right after it's over you think maybe if I did this differently or did that differently. The reality at this point it's sort of behind me now. I'm looking ahead towards getting John elected.

COLMES: You are not doing a lot of soul searching.

GIULIANI: No.

COLMES: Really?

GIULIANI: A little bit right afterwards but the reality is during the campaign, you may remember on one of the debates, I forget if it was Fox or one of the others, I said that if I wasn't running, I would be supporting John McCain. So I'm not running, I'm supporting John McCain. I'm a man of my word.

COLMES: What is that moment like though when you say, there has got to be that moment when you make that decision I'm out. I'm not going to continue. How do you come to that moment?

GIULIANI: You come to it over a period of time talking to your wife, to your advisors. And then, in my case, it was important to me that I get out at a point in which I could help John get the nomination. Because I thought on our side, next to me, humbly, that he was the best -- he would be the best choice. I thought he was the best prepared to be president. And I thought he had the best chance of winning. I still do.

COLMES: Did you think that all along that if it weren't me.

GIULIANI: Yeah, I did.

COLMES: During the debate.

GIULIANI: I think I said it at least twice, once during a debate and once during interview. I said if I wasn't running, I'd be supporting John McCain because I feel that John has the background, the experience to handle what I think would be the most difficult thing that we have to handle which is terrorism.

COLMES: You hit him hard a couple of times about the issue of taxes, raising taxes, not supporting the Bush 1998...

GIULIANI: He hit me a couple times on other things.

COLMES: So are those still valid criticisms against John McCain, that he supported (INAUDIBLE) the Bush tax cuts?

GIULIANI: But he now supports the Bush tax cuts. He has a very strong position on that. And then, you know, part of this is you have got to compare John to the Democratic alternative and you got a light years of difference. They want to raise taxes, 20, 30 percent.

COLMES: On the very rich.

GIULIANI: Come on. Alan on the very rich is everybody who pays taxes.

COLMES: (INAUDIBLE) You also have executive experience as a mayor. He did not and that goes for all the other candidates. Is that also a valid criticism?

GIULIANI: Well, when you look at the comparison between his experience, I think that's going to be the determinant in this election. I think the American people are going to look at John McCain and they look at Barack Obama and they are going to say one has no experience and the other has a significant amount of experience going back to him being in Congress, him being in the Senate, him being in the military, all those things.

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR, HANNITY & COLMES: Mr. Mayor, good to see you again. Thanks for being with us. (INAUDIBLE) You got a lot of color. You've been out resting a little bit.

GIULIANI: I have been resting a little more than I did I when I was running. It's an adjustment. But, you know, I'm back being a lawyer at Bracewell and Giuliani, back at Giuliani Partners, doing all my work. It's great.

HANNITY: There is a lot of rumors you may run for governor of New York considering with Spitzer, this (INAUDIBLE).

GIULIANI: I told you before, I'm not running right now. I'm walking.

HANNITY: You are walking, walking into the governor's mansion.

GIULIANI: I'm just walking. We just got finished with a campaign.

HANNITY: I want to reveal a little secret. We had a one hour sit down interview with Senator John McCain and it was in Philly. And the first person I saw before I even saw Senator McCain was you with him and that raises a very important question.

GIULIANI: That's the day I did a fundraiser with him and I actually substituted for him because he had a big vote that day in the Senate. So I was in Harrisburg.

HANNITY: He headed back.

GIULIANI: I was going to sit in for him also in Philadelphia, but he made it on time.

HANNITY: All right. Whenever a person obviously of your profile, you will be on a short list for vice president. If you got the call from Senator McCain.

GIULIANI: Oh, no.

HANNITY: I have ask-to.

GIULIANI: I will give you the same answer that I will give when I was asked that who would you pick as vice president? Who knows? I don't know. I don't know what my answer would be. It's no something you seek. John has a number of terrific choices in our party for vice president and shouldn't make that choice until June or July when you get closer to it.

HANNITY: But if he picked you, you would be very compelled. You would think seriously about it?

GIULIANI: Anybody who is president of the United States or going to be president asks you to do something for them, you would think very seriously about it. I'm not a candidate for it.

HANNITY: All right, let's move on and talk a little bit -- that was a good answer. Let me ask you what you think is happening with the democratic process. Did you ever think it would be this nasty, this brutal?

GIULIANI: No. I never thought that. I guess I told Alan before. I thought that eight, 10 months ago that it would be more likely on our side that we would have an extended -- than on their side. Who knows how politics is going to turn out. This is from our point of view Republicans who want to see John elected, this is -- we have got to take advantage of this opportunity to get John's message out.

HANNITY: Do you see any problems - and I asked this of Senator McCain when I interviewed him, any problems with him and some of the positions that he has that does not go over very well with the conservative base? Does that hurt him or maybe does that help him with independents?

GIULIANI: I have always thought that John had the best chance of getting elected. I thought I had a good chance...

HANNITY: did I too.

GIULIANI: But I thought John had the best chance of getting elected because of our candidates, he has probably one of the best opportunities to possess the middle and appeal to conservatives at the same time having appeal to moderate voters, having appeal to independent voters and to those older Reagan Democrats in New York City they used to call them Giuliani Democrats. I got a lot of Democratic votes. I think that's how you get elected ultimately. You have to have crossover votes. Ronald Reagan was able to do it, a committed conservative though he was on the leadership issue. America wanted leadership and a lot of Americans who might not be considered strict conservatives voted for him because they saw him as the stronger leader. I think that will happen with John.

HANNITY: Who do you think is the more likely winner on the Democratic side as of now? I think it's going to be Barack Obama because mathematically I would say things are in his favor.

GIULIANI: I only think it's Barack Obama because that's what all the experts say. I'm not an expert on Democratic politics. Hillary Clinton is a formidable opponent. I think from our point of view thinking of John and the rest of the party, our Senate races, our House races, I don't know that it makes much difference. Their philosophical positions Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's are roughly the same, the same differences. And I think John, if people want someone who is going to be steady, strong leader, deal with terrorism by being on offense, then they are going to vote for John McCain. If they want someone who is going to avoid these massive tax increases, avoid high tariffs, given the state of our economy right now, you could have no worse an approach than Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton have. High taxes, high tariffs. Go back and look at economic history.

HANNITY: Will you teach that partner of mine.

GIULIANI: It isn't Democratic or Republican. It's either good economics or bad economics.

HANNITY: We're going to continue more with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani coming up right after the break. And still to come tonight, Governor Jon Corzine is one of Hillary's trusted supporters. Why is he, quote, reserving his right now to his super delegate vote? Is the governor hedging his bet when it comes to Hillary Clinton? Plus, Geraldine Ferraro is here to respond to radio talk show host Randi Rhodes inappropriate comments. Some are saying the radio host should be fired. We'll ask Geraldine. That and much more coming up straight ahead.

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TV AD: There is a phone ringing in the White House and this time the crisis is economic. Home foreclosures mounting, markets teetering. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama just said they would solve the problem by raising your taxes. More money out of your pocket. John McCain has a better plan. Grow jobs, grow our economy, not grow Washington.

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HANNITY: That was Senator John McCain's 3:00 a.m. ad, an obvious response to this ad.

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TV AD: Home foreclosures mounting, markets teetering. John McCain just said the government shouldn't take any real action in the housing crisis. He would let the phone keep ringing. Hillary Clinton has a plan to protect our homes, create jobs. It's 3:00 a.m., time for a president who is ready.

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HANNITY: And we continue now with former presidential candidate, America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani. You know what I like about what the McCain camp did, they responded within minutes.

GIULIANI: That's the key. You got to almost within the same news cycle.

HANNITY: And similarly, they also went after Howard Dean when he attacked him. I think the comment was something like, you don't want to get into the mud with pigs.

GIULIANI: That's like the Clinton campaign back in 1992. They invented that war room thing, immediate response.

HANNITY: Race has become such a big issue in this campaign. What did you think of when you saw the comments of Reverend Wright?

GIULIANI: Well, I think, you know, I guess it's hard to avoid it because the issues that are being raised on the Democratic side. I think as Republicans we should just stay out of it. I mean, let them fight it out. Let them fight it out.

HANNITY: Don't even talk about it.

GIULIANI: Let them fight about it and then we have to deal with it when we run against one or the other. We will deal with it.

HANNITY: Do you think it's fair to use those issues? For example, Harold Ickes is right now..

GIULIANI: Anything is fair.

HANNITY: Anything is fair?

GIULIANI: In politics, right? Fair is in the eye of the beholder, right?

HANNITY: You know the Clintons pretty well. You have had contact with them over the years. What do you make of Bill Clinton's conduct in this whole campaign. There's a battle going on right now. There is so much anger at Bill Richardson because he endorsed Barack Obama. And why do you think that the people that know the Clintons the best, the Ted Kennedy's of the world, the John Kerry's of the world, the Pat Leahy's of the world. These are her closest colleagues and have known them for all these years. Why are they going against her?

GIULIANI: I don't know the internal thinking of Senator Kennedy or Governor Richardson or why they made the choices that they made. I would hardly be an expert on that.

HANNITY: But if your closest friends, the people that knew you best were the ones that were coming out against you and hurting your campaign, can we read into that that they know something about the Clintons that we don't know?

GIULIANI: Or they are assessing who they think is going to win in the end or who they think the best candidate is going to be. Maybe it's their assessment that Barack Obama would be a better candidate for their party than Hillary Clinton. I'm not sure that's the case.

HANNITY: Here is Barack Obama. I have been upset with, I think he has had very little scrutiny. He's got a thin resume. I don't think he has the experience, the background. He said his idea about Pakistan and that comment early on really scared me. I know he is likeable. But as we discover more about him, his negatives have gone up. What do you think of him as a potential president?

GIULIANI: I think it's the experience factor that will be the major issue against John. There is a world of difference in the seasoning and experience and America, you know, it's not just terrorism. We have got to think about that but also as the economy creates more and more questions, we're going to want a steady hand. We are going to want someone who really has been there and had to make very tough decisions.

COLMES: Where do you think, Mr. Mayor, John McCain is most vulnerable?

GIULIANI: I don't think John is vulnerable at all.

COLMES: Nowhere? No vulnerability.

GIULIANI: He happens to be a close friend.

COLMES: That's why I asked that question. Where do we hit him? Come on?

GIULIANI: He was the person I thought was best qualified to be president of the united states other than me.

COLMES: Who is harder to beat, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama?

GIULIANI: I think it's impossible to say. Look at that poll.

COLMES: If you were running, who would you rather face?

GIULIANI: I never allowed me myself to think that. I kept thinking I have no control over that and I got to run against either one. The poll shows it's 1 point difference. John is leading one by one point, the other by two. Philosophically it's going to be the same difference. They want to pull out of Iraq. John wants victory in Iraq. They want to raise taxes. They want to raise tariffs. John wants to keep taxes low.

COLMES: We keep hearing raise taxes, again this goes into raise taxes against who. We keep hearing victory. What does victory mean? Has this administration for example ever defined what victory is?

GIULIANI: John has defined victory in Iraq as a stable Iraq that's going to be an ally of the United States that we have to have the fortitude and determination to get there and it's in the bigger context of dealing with Islamic terrorism which is something the Democrats -- during my phase of the campaign when I was involved in it, I couldn't understand why the Democrats wouldn't even talk about Islamic terrorism. If you can't face the enemy, I don't know how you compete.

COLMES: We have Shiites and Sunnis going after each other for years and years and years. You got a bunch of different factions, al Qaeda being one of many different factions, estimated to be maybe 8 to 15 percent. Do we know if we can ever have stability there? And what's the path to get there and how do you know when it arrives? How long are we willing to wait?

GIULIANI: I think we are willing to wait until we can get to the point where we have a stable Iraq and an Iraq that will be an ally of ours. One that will work with us, against Islamic terrorism rather than handing over as I think the Democrats want to do a victory to the other side.

COLMES: Is Bush at all responsible for the economy right now and can McCain run on the current economy and what does he do about (INAUDIBLE) ?

GIULIANI: John McCain will run on the things that he believes are necessary for the economy, which is to keep taxes low to, reduce government spending. He's got a great record, a great record, much better than either one of these two Democratic opponents on reducing spending.

COLMES: . not at all responsible for where we are now with the economy?

GIULIANI: The president has got to take responsibility for everything. We have also had a great economy.

COLMES: Had.

GIULIANI: For a long period of time and we still have a strong economy. We have got problems we have got to deal with.

COLMES: Mr. Mayor, thanks so much for being here. Nice to see you.

Coming up, New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine pledged his support to Hillary Clinton, but is he doing some backtracking? We'll look at why the super delegates as he puts it might be reserving his right to his vote.

And then Randi Rhodes suspended after comparing Clinton supporter Geraldine Ferraro to David Duke among other things. Geraldine will be here to respond to this developing story coming up.

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COLMES: An influential politician from neighboring New Jersey calling the Pennsylvania primary crucial to Hillary Clinton's survival. Governor Jon Corzine is a Democratic super delegate who has pledged his support to Clinton. However Corzine reportedly said today that he will quote reserve the right to jump ship if Hillary loses the popular vote to Barack Obama. With us now Fox News political analyst Kirsten Powers. A piece today in the "Washington Times" about - there are only about 130 delegates behind. Less than 1 percent difference in the popular vote between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. So, I mean, you look at it that way, it's really slices a lot more thinly than the pundits seem to be slicing it when you are talking about it.

KIRSTEN POWERS: You are making the argument that Hillary actually could easily win it.

COLMES: I didn't say easily. Easily is not the word that came out of my mouth.

POWERS: You're right. She is not that far behind if you look back at other people who were running farther behind who were not pressured to drop out. So I think that, like Gary Hart, for example was much further behind than Hillary is and was never pressured to drop out. So a lot of people think the reason she is being pressured to drop out is because she actually could overtake him if something happened.

COLMES: Isn't that the idea is to have super delegates who could jump in in the event something happens and supersede what else has already happened.

POWERS: What's happened is somebody has come around to the Obama idea that the pledged delegates are supposed to go -- super delegates are supposed to go with the pledged delegates. But in fact, that's not what the system was set up to do. The system was set up for the super delegates to exercise their own judgment and they can decide where they want to go. They don't have...

COLMES: (INAUDIBLE) piece in the "Washington Times" today, let's say she wins Texas, does very well, does well in (INAUDIBLE) starts developing a little bit momentum, is there a tendency to look toward the most recent momentum in terms of where things are going and then do the super delegates say wait a minute this is the way things are going right now.

POWERS: I think so except because what I just said before is that I think this narrative has taken on about the pledged delegates. So there is going to be the sense that the super delegates override that, that people are going to feel like it's being taken away from Barack Obama. And so that narrative needs to either be changed or she needs to win the popular vote by some convincing number.

COLMES: That number changes if the popular vote changes.

POWERS: But like I said, the narrative has really been about the pledged delegates. And so they have to change it to being about the popular vote not just the pledged delegates.

HANNITY: Good to see you here. It was interesting because last week Michael Barone said that she's got a chance to win the popular vote. I spoke with him today. He said it's a lot less likely than it was even just a week ago because that little Bosnia sniper fire thing. But if she wins the popular vote, at least she has a stronger argument.

POWERS: She needs to at least do that. I mean that's her threshold. I think that has to happen for her to make the argument. Because otherwise, he's ahead in pledged delegates.

HANNITY: And that's the point. If he wins free fair the elections, he wins the pledged delegates and he wins popular vote. If I'm a Barack Obama supporter and the super delegates give it to Hillary, I'm thinking they stole it.

POWERS: Yeah. I think that's right. Like I said, that's what the narrative has been set up that if think don't ratify the person who is ahead in the pledged delegates, they are overthrowing it (INAUDIBLE) that's not true.

HANNITY: Hillary vowed this week that she is going to take it to convention. And she is still fighting to seat Florida and Michigan. I mean that's pretty hard core.

POWERS: It's her only hope. That's what she has to do. She says she will go to the credentials committee and she'll try to go as long as she can. If she gets those seated that will help her.

HANNITY: If she goes to the credentials committee and she's fighting that hard, it's going to be perceived by a lot of Barack Obama supporters that she is trying to steal this thing. She's not agreed to the rules that she had agreed to earlier. I think she's hurting herself.

POWERS: I'm not sure about that because I think the thing that people are forgetting about is that Hillary has actually has some power here in the sense that the Obama people don't want to completely alienate her. Because if Obama gets the nomination, they can't have all those women who support Hillary mad at them and we only talk about the Obama supporters. Oh they're so crazy. There's a lot of women out there that are crazy for Hillary.

HANNITY: I want to go to the issue that we just discussed about Senator Jon Corzine and this question I asked Mayor Giuliani. I mean, look at the people that know Hillary best, Bill Richardson, John Kerry, Pat Leahy, Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, I mean the people that know her best, worked so long with her. What is it that they know about her that causes them to want to go support another candidate? There has got to be something we can read into that.

POWERS: I don't think so, Sean. First of all, I don't know how well they know each other because they work together.

HANNITY: Been senator for seven years together.

POWERS: I also think Jon Corzine clearly thinks Obama is going to win. That's obviously what's going on. He is hedging his bets.

HANNITY: That's a politician. Hang on, finger in the wind. Let me see which way the wind is blowing on this given day.

POWERS: It's very transparent. I wouldn't read too much into it.

HANNITY: A lot of these other senators came out very early and then came out against her. I think it's Obama's to lose now by a big shot.

POWERS: I agree with that.

HANNITY: Finally I convinced you. We will see you Sunday night on "Hannity's America."

POWERS: Sounds good.

HANNITY: Thanks for being with us. And coming up, an update on Air America radio left wing host Randi Rhodes and her suspension. Should she, will she be fired? Let's ask Geraldine Ferraro. She was the subject of her verbal attack. What she thinks should happen to Rhodes. That's next and Ann Coulter coming up.










HANNITY: And this is a "Hannity & Colmes" campaign alert. Air America radio host Randi Rhodes has been suspended for, quote, "inappropriate comments" that she made about Hillary Clinton and former congresswoman, Geraldine Ferraro. Listen to this.

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RANDI RHODES, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Geraldine Ferraro turned out to be the David Duke in drag. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) is. I want to see her have to stand beside her husband at one of those mandatory "I have sinned against you. I'm a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) whore" press conferences.

Hillary is the biggest (EXPLETIVE DELETED), (EXPLETIVE DELETED) too, OK?

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HANNITY: Geraldine Ferraro is here to respond to Rhodes' comments, plus to those who question her about recent controversial comments.

Last month Geraldine Ferraro quit fundraising for Senator Clinton after fallout from her comment that Senator Barack Obama owes his political success to the issue of skin color.

Now Tuesday, Ferraro made similar comments to the New York Post, saying, quote, "John Edwards must have been shocked to wake up and realize that for the first time in 200 years, being a white man was a disadvantage."

Joining us now, Geraldine Ferraro.

First of all...

GERALDINE FERRARO, FORMER VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You've got to tell me. I mean...

HANNITY: What?

FERRARO: I've got to leave my queen's humor at home because, I mean, I thought that was a very funny line about John Edwards. And I'm sure he doesn't think I'm a racist by saying it. Yes.

HANNITY: First of all, let me respond to the -- we're going to get into this with Ann Coulter and John Carlson in a minute. What did you think about what she said? And would you want her fired?

FERRARO: Yes. You know, the thing about it is, why don't we treat everybody the same? Wasn't Imus fired for doing the same type of comment about some young black women who were out -- I mean...

HANNITY: I've never listened to her, but I've gotten reports she said vicious horrible things about me. I don't want to live in an America though, Geraldine, where -- where we've got a group of people with political motivations that are trying to silence people.

I found what she said about you disgusting and despicable.

FERRARO: Well, I wouldn't mind if it was accurate.

HANNITY: It's not. Of course not.

FERRARO: I mean, there are certain parts of it. I mean, this whole thing, you know, calling me -- I mean, think about that. I mean, that goes beyond being just nasty.

HANNITY: Yes.

FERRARO: The first part, with all the language that -- I've heard the language once before. When I was an assistant D.A. ...

HANNITY: No.

FERRARO: ... defendants used to do this stuff all the time. But the thing about it is -- is calling me a -- a David Duke in drag. That's -- that's calling me a real racist. And that, to me, is inflammatory.

HANNITY: I want to read something to you...

FERRARO: And I think that that's terrible.

HANNITY: ... before Alan's time comes up here. This is important, because I found an article, and I want to share it with you. And this is from the Chicago Tribune. And the date, by the way, is June 26, 2005, if our audience wants to look this up. And they had comments in here.

Let me read this to you. "Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race." It goes on: "If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshman senators almost certainly without a multi-million-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or, would he have been elected at all."

And it later goes on, "Returning a smile of his own, he said, 'I was not a child of the civil rights movement. I was a beneficiary of the civil rights movement'."

Does that sound similar to what you said?

FERRARO: Well, yes. I was pointing out the historic campaign. Why is it historic?

HANNITY: But his campaign...

FERRARO: Hillary's is historic because she's a woman. And his is historic because he's black. Are we kidding ourselves?

You know, I -- before we came here my daughter said to me, "Don't talk about this." What are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to stand back and just let this go on?

COLMES: What does this do to you personally? When you see -- first of all, Randi Rhodes, you see a woman out there doing a standup routine in front of a, unfortunately, receptive audience to that kind of language. What does that do to you inside?

FERRARO: Well, you know -- well, you know, the rest -- calling me names, that's not -- and she's not important in my life. I mean, really. I mean, it's not something...

HANNITY: By the way, she's important to nobody's life. Nobody listens to her.

COLMES: Hold on. Let me -- let me...

FERRARO: It stays -- it's on YouTube now. That will live forever.

COLMES: Yes.

FERRARO: Now you know, I remember somebody -- some place got on YouTube that I had passed three grades. I got introduced the other night at a New York lawyer's event as having passed three grades and graduated high school at 16. I did graduate high school at 16. I did skip one? Get rid of that. I now check every introduction. I can't get it off the Internet.

So you say to me, does that bother me? She doesn't bother me, but that's there forever. My children, my grandchildren, my great- grandchildren are going to see this thing.

COLMES: Nobody can take that seriously.

FERRARO: Well, I hope not. But you know what? Those kids in the audience did.

COLMES: Anybody who knows history knows the role you play and knows what you represent.

FERRARO: And my friends, you know, the people that I work with, the people who are, you know, my friend that I'm closest to is an African- American I work with. And my secretary is African-American, and another one is Hispanic. I mean, what is this stuff? People -- people...

COLMES: But you don't have to prove anything to anybody. What are you feeling you have to prove it to?

FERRARO: I don't, I don't. And the people who know me, know me. But I've gotten letters, Alan, literally from all over the country, including Hawaii. People actually believe that I said something that was -- that was racist. And I didn't.

COLMES: When you say something, as Sean mentioned those quotes that Barack said about his own success.

FERRARO: It was exactly what I was saying.

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COLMES: You can't even comment in this country, it seems, about the issue of race without watching every single word you say for how you might be perceived.

FERRARO: Yes. Well, and you know -- but this has been played by the Obama campaign. This was not started by anybody else. It was started by them. And David Axelrod, who's his white campaign manager has played this race card time and time and time again. He got away with it three times.

I can't sit back and let them do nothing. I mean, I'm not a political person. I mean -- by that, I mean I'm not in public office. I'm never going to run again. I don't care about, you know, how people perceive me, don't perceive me. I know where I am. I know where my friends are. I know...

COLMES: You're saying it's the Obama campaign that's keeping this story alive?

FERRARO: Tell me, it's -- this week in Newsweek, a black journalist does this whole thing again. And I wrote -- I wrote a response. It's not going to get in but, I mean, actually distorting what I say and saying that the Obama campaign has not responded.

Sure it has. It has responded: voice mails, hate mail, attempts to get me fired, attempts to get me removed from the board.

COLMES: Is that the Obama campaign or is that Obama supporters who are very excited about his candidacy.

FERRARO: If you've got 24 calls coming out of Texas to one office, you know that's coordinated. And that's not just people making it up from nowhere.

COLMES: You're saying the campaign itself is coordinating calls to your office to kind of harass you?

FERRARO: No. This was done on one day about a week ago Thursday. Twenty-four calls came out of Texas. Now, who did that? Twenty-four people in Texas all decided that they were going to call the firm? Give me a break. That is -- it's coordinated. Of course it is.

And they -- the way it started, they should stop it. And they can stop it. They can -- when they're on their phone calls with all their journalists, they just say, "OK, that's it. No more of this stuff." Once they stop it, I stop.

I don't want to be on responding to this stuff. That's not what I want to do.

COLMES: Thank you for coming on tonight and talking to us about it.


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