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Reaction to the State of the Union

Hannity & Colmes

ALAN COLMES, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Welcome to this special edition of HANNITY & COLMES, we have live reaction to the president's State of the Union Address, tonight, as well as a preview of tomorrow night's important Florida primary. And we want to hear from you tonight about how the president did, you can text to FNCTV or 36288 on your cell phone, text the letter "A" for excellent and "B" for fair and "C" for poor and we'll have the live results in just a few minutes.

For more reaction to the president's speech, we turn to our own Frank Luntz, tonight, who is in Florida with a group of independent voters.

Frank, what are they telling you?

FRANK LUNTZ, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well Alan, we chose absolutely the place to come to since this is where it all began seven-and-a-half years ago.

Let me ask you, show of hands, how many of you walked in with a favorable impression of President Bush? Raise your hands. Two, three, four, five, six of you. How many had a favorable impression of the speech, tonight? Raise your hands. Almost all of you. Doris what was so positive?

Deloris, what was so positive?

DELORIS, INDEPENDENT VOTER: He was dynamic, he was resilient, he called for co-responsibility stating he'll do this and then asked them for the responsible action.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The speech was well written and it was well delivered, but it didn't have facts?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought that he tried to touch on as many things as he could that are of importance to our country today, and particularly focusing on the economy, I think that's and important.

LUNTZ: Well, you know, it's funny that you talked about the economy, because we had an opportunity to use these great dials to indicate what people liked and disliked about the speech. And of all the segments that we tested in the entire State of the Union Address, nothing did better than ending wasteful Washington spending and yellow line of the Republicans, the blue line of the Democrats, watch what happens when the president talks about balancing the budget. Let's take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ...we need to earn their trust by spending their tax dollars wisely.

(APPLAUSE)

Next week, I'll send you a budget that terminates or substantially reduces 151 wasteful or bloated programs, totaling more than $18 billion. The budget that I'll submit will keep America on track for a surplus in 2012.

American families have to balance their budgets; so should their government.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LUNTZ: Absolutely off the charts, why was that such a positive reaction? James, I mean, you guys gave it a home run. Tell me, why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's our money. They're spending them on useless projects or whatever and without our permission.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And running a family is a very difficult thing to do in maintaining a budget and I hold our government responsible for the same thing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If the government controls our money, it controls us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we have a $9 trillion debt, he talked about ending earmarks, but I heard him propose a lot of new spending in there, as well.

LUNTZ: And that bothers you? That concerns you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Money earned should be money saved by an American, and it shouldn't go to something that I'm not for.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Corporations don't waste money, why should the government?

LUNTZ: Say that again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Corporations waste money, why should the government?

LUNTZ: But we've talked about this now. We've talked about ending wasteful spending for seven years. Do you really trust that this is going to be something different?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

LUNTZ: No, you don't. Why not?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because, the government still has to fund, you know, that war in Iraq, Medicare and things that had been promised.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He needs to elaborate on his corporate spending and give tax breaks for big corporations.

LUNTZ: What I'd like to do is show you one other clip that was very impressive here, because there was an extreme dichotomy between Republicans and Democrats. While the all agree on ending wasteful Washington spending and earmarks, when it comes to making that tax cuts permanent, there is a very different reaction. Let's take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: Most Americans think their taxes are high enough. With all the other pressures on their finances, American families should not have to worry about the federal government taking a bigger bite out of their paychecks. There's only one way to eliminate this uncertainty: Make the tax relief permanent.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LUNTZ: The single biggest different response of everything in the debate. You Republicans or Republican-leaning people here, loved it. You Democrats hated it. Why did you hate it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm just tired of him making promises that we can't keep, so it just kind of like, turned me off to the whole thing.

LUNTZ: So, it didn't matter what he said. He could have said that he's no longer going to wearing white underwear and you would have reacted negatively?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm just tired of the promises. He's just not doing his job.

LUNTZ: Leonard.

LEONARD: The people are listening to what the Democrats are saying and they're telling us they're going to raise our taxes and they're afraid of that, they know what happens.

LUNTZ: Sean, you've got a question. Let me just -- when you watch these debates and, in this case, the State of the Union Address, and when you get that kind of dichotomy, and again, these are relatively uncommitted people, it's very surprising. But, when the Democrats actually react negatively to making the tax cuts permanent, that's a message for you as to what's happening to the Democratic primary?

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: No, and that's actually what my questions is, Frank. And I man fascinated at the reaction of your focus group. You know, I love these focus groups, we learn a lot from them. But the president said this when talking about the tax cuts, and if you could specifically ask the Democrats in your audience, I'd like them to know, because the president said 116 million Americans would lose -- see their taxes rise an average of $1,800 and he did fulfill that promise, every American did get that tax cut.

LUNTZ: So, let me guys ask you a question, over a hundred million Americans would see their taxes rise $1,800, doesn't that concern you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

LUNTZ: No, some of you it doesn't.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I don't think the tax cuts should have been done in the first place. It harms middle and lower class people. It doesn't help them as much as it helps upper income people.

LUNTZ: James.

JAMES: I agree, middle and lower class have not been positively...

LUNTZ: Everybody got a piece of the tax cut, Frank.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not as much...

LUNTZ: As, Sean's saying in my ear, everyone got a piece of those tax cuts and yet, you all don't think so?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, the Democrats that it was tax cuts for the rich, Republicans think it was tax cuts for everybody, so that's why you see the bad (INAUDIBLE).

LUNTZ: So, let's do a vote right here, the American people are watching. Do you want the tax cuts permanent? Who says yes? And who says no?

My hand's up.

COLMES: Hey, I don't believe Hannity's the focus group. Let me ask, look, if they are also armed with information that when Bush came into office in 2001, the national debt was 5.7 trillion and now it's 9.2 trillion. He inherited a surplus of 236 billion and now there's a deficit of 354 billion, in that context, why would they believe what he said tonight?

LUNTZ: Well Alan, if I knew that there was going to be math, I don't think I would have signed up with FOX NEWS.

COLMES: But those are the facts.

LUNTZ: Let me tell you, that Alan was talking about how the deficit has gone up significantly under this president and the federal debt has gone up significantly, and what he's inferring is that the tax cuts have caused it. Now, let me ask you -- and I can see you shaking your head, Michael -- which is more important to you? Balancing the budget or tax cuts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tax cuts.

LUNTZ: Why tax cuts?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keeping the tax cuts permanent. Because what that does is that is actually turn more tax revenues to the government.

LUNTZ: Phil?

PHIL: Tax cuts need to be -- if you lower the tax rate it tends to stimulate business and economies and that will increase tax rates, as strange as that sounds.

LUNTZ: And you've got the last word because you're the youngest person here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Government programs cost money and cutting taxes is not going to do anything for programs. And I, myself, am a beneficiary of a lot of government programs.

LUNTZ: Now, one last time, how many walked in here with a favorable impression of Bush? Raise your hands. And how many are walking out of here thinking he did well tonight in his final State of the Union Speech. Look at the hands go up. Oh, this is definitely a positive night for President Bush. Back to you guys.

HANNITY: What fascinating results, Frank, as always. And tell everybody thank you for us for participating, tonight.

Still lots more to come. President Bush out lined his accomplishments and the challenges our country faces in tonight's State of the Union Address, but how will it impact the election? And how you think the president did, tonight. You can make sure to text your vote at FNCTV.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: Any further drawdown of U.S. troops will be based on conditions of Iraq and the recommendations of our commanders. General Petraeus has warned that too fast a drawdown could result in "the disintegration of the Iraqi security forces," Al-Qaeda Iraq, regaining lost ground and a marked increase in violence. Members of Congress, having come so far and achieved so much, we must not allow this to happen.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: And that was more of President Bush addressing the nation in his eight and final State of the Union speech. Joining us now, Indiana senator, Evan Bayh, who is also the national campaign co-chair for the Hillary Clinton.

Senator, always good to see you. Welcome back to the program.

SEN EVAN BAYH (D), INDIANA: Sean, good to be back with you.

HANNITY: Yeah, I talk a lot about you, Senator, because I have stated publicly that I believe that you are Senator Clinton's first choice for vice president. Have you ever discussed that issue with Senator Clinton?

BAYH: Not once, Sean. But I do appreciate your kind words. I know you're a close adviser of the senators.

(LAUGHTER)

HANNITY: Well, not exactly, but I have actually think you would be a good choice for the senator. And if you were asked, would you accept?

BAYH: Well, I don't think that's the kind of thing you say no to, Sean. But, we've got a long way to go between now and then. We've go to first, you know, choose our nominee to lead the party and then it's up to that person to make that choice.

HANNITY: All right, I'm going to get back to politics in a second. But the president did point out tonight, that if his tax cuts expire, it would result in a 116 million American tax payers see their taxes rise an average of $1,800. Should we make the tax cuts permanent?

BAYH: We're going to make a big part of them permanent Sean, the 10 percent tax reduction will be made permanent, things to eliminate the marriage penalty will be made permanent, child credits for people with children to help families make cover those costs, I believe those will be made permanent. Then we're going to have a hard decision to make about some of the decisions involving the upper bracket and, you know, I'd like to see us pay for those tax cuts.

HANNITY: Yeah. Let me ask you, as we go forward with the campaigns, here, because Senator Clinton came out with a statement, as did Barack Obama, Senator. You know, why do you think it is -- you're one of the few senators, Democratic senators, that are out there openly supporting Senator Clinton. We have Ted Kennedy's gone now with Barack Obama, John Kerry, Pat Leahy. The Clinton's have been, if you believe the press, they have been chastised by people like Rom Emanuel and Ton Daschle, about the tactics. They've been accused of race baiting, running a negative campaign. John Kerry used the term "swift voting" of Barack Obama. Have the Clinton's handled this properly and why are so many Democrats against them?

BAYH: Well Sean, Senator Clinton actually, is in the lead among the so-called "super delegates," members of Congress, the Senate, governors, people like that, so there's a fair amount of support on both sides. But look, I'll just give you my honest take on this, and that is that while those of us who follow this on a daily basis, you know, care a lot about these things, I really don't think average people are influenced much by the endorsements of politicians. I think they look at their daily lives, the challenges they face, and then make personal judgments about who is best prepared to actually make the progress that the country needs.

HANNITY: Maybe not, but you've got to admit, when Senator Ted Kennedy, according to press reports, is yelling at Bill Clinton for the way he's handling the race issue in the campaign, when John Kerry says that Bill Clinton is abusing the truth in the campaign, when you have Democratic senators saying that the Clinton's are being deceitful and using cheap shots against Barack Obama, those are pretty serious charges by very prominent and influential people. I would think -- have you had a conversation with Hillary about it?

BAYH: No, she's been out on the campaign trail, so I have not had a chance to talk to her about those kinds of things. But look, you know, these kinds of allegations flying back and forth and they exist on both sides, Sean. It happens, as you know, in campaigns and I really put my faith in the American's public's ability to tune all that stuff out and look at really who has the kind of seasoning and experience, the kind of strength, the ability to make the progress that we're all yearning for. I think that's how they're going to make this decision and all these charges and counter-charges frankly, I think they're going to tune most of that out.

COLMES: Senator, it's Alan Colmes, good to have you on our show. You know, conservatives often want to ignore the battle between Romney and McCain and the jockeying for position and sides being taken, there. It's pretty ugly on that side.

Let me ask you about the president talking about earmarks tonight, and even Jim Dement of South Carolina, the Republican, said that it may be too late because Congress may not send them spending bills this year. Is there any value to what the president said about that, tonight?

BAYH: Well Alan, I think there is and this may make Sean smile, I'm one of those few who actually believes we need to cut back on the earmarks and have voted against the bridges to nowhere...

HANNITY: Good for you, Senator.

COLMES: Hannity's vote -- you know -- by the way,

HANNITY: I'll forgive you for your enforcement of Senator Clinton for that one.

COLMES: You don't want Hannity's endorsements if you're ever running for office again. You don't want that. Going to hurt you at your base.

BAYH: The bottom line is that your viewers know that we have higher priorities than those kinds of things -- healthcare, college, those sorts of things that really matter and if we're going to get the deficits down, we need to start by trimming back some of these special appropriations.

COLMES: As a Democrat watching it, and Kathleen Sibelius of Kansas gave the Democratic response. What was your reaction to the president's address? Was it more of the same, was there any thing new there? Was there any inspirational message for the American people, tonight?

BAYH: Well look, we always like to hear the president speak and I particularly like it when he talks about freedom, I think that's something that inspires every American. I thought it was fairly modest in terms of proposals, I don't think there was a lot that was new there, unlike previous speeches by both this president and others. And, I think if I had to say the one thing that was missing, Alan, and you know, the president always has to be upbeat and a cheerleader, but there is a lot of angst in the country right now, a lot of anxiousness and I'm not quite sure that he captured that feeling in the part of Americans that we're not fulfilling our potential and that we really need to move forward and do better.

COLMES: Hey Senator, we appreciate very much you're coming on our show, tonight. Hope to see you on HANNITY & COLMES before too long, once again.

BAYH: Invite me and I'll come.

COLMES: Thanks, sir. Thanks very much.

Coming up, Democratic leaders are pleading with Bill Clinton to watch his words as the former president goes after Obama again, and Dick Morris will respond. And how you think that the president fared tonight? You can text your vote to FNCTV, the early results are just minutes away on HANNITY & COLMES.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BUSH: The other pressing challenge is immigration. America needs to secure our borders. And, with your help, my administration is taking steps to do so. We're increasing work site enforcement, deploying fences and advanced technologies to stop illegal crossings. We've effectively ended the policy of "catch and release" at the border. And by the end of this year, we will have doubled the number of border patrol agents. Yet we also need to acknowledge that we will never fully secure our border until we create a lawful way for foreign workers to come here and support our economy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLMES: So, how do you think the president did tonight? Here's a quick look at the early results from our text voting poll, 86 percent, tonight, thought the president did excellent, four percent think he did fair, and eight percent said he had a poor performance. We will keep the poll open so you can keep texting us throughout the show. We'll unveil the final results at the end of the hour.

And now switching gears, former president Bill Clinton causing yet another uproar, this time with his comparison of Barack Obama to Jesse Jackson. He cited the reverend in South Carolina victories of 1984 and 1988 and many saw this as an attempt to diminish Obama's win in that state, saying as Jackson went on to lose the Democratic nomination. With us now is former Clinton adviser, Dick Morris. For his latest columns and newsletters, you can sign up for free at dickmorris.com.

You got a movie you're selling over there, Dick, as I understand it.

DICK MORRIS, FMR CLINTON ADVISER: That's right and it tells the truth about Hillary Clinton.

COLMES: According to some.

MORRIS: To Sean and me.

COLMES: According to some. All right, now, let me ask you about this Jesse Jackson thing, because I saw it, it looked like he was answering a question. It wasn't a planned statement and he did bring up Jesse Jackson and Obama has said he's fine with it. You know, Jesse Jackson said he didn't take it negatively. It seems like, some people, of course, have. I'm sure you have, but the principles mentioned did not.

MORRIS: Well, except for you, there's a consensus in America that the Clintons are deliberately raising the race issue and I think that it's echoes in all corners of the media, including a lot of people that are usually pro-Clinton.

When there's a presidential campaign, it's like a conversation and it began when Obama said: I'm here and I'm new, and then the Clinton's answered: yeah, but you're inexperienced, and then he said: well, I may be, but I'm a force for change. And then the Clintons in effect said: But, you're black. And now what Obama is saying is: yes I am, I'm making race a part of this campaign, which I never did, and the question is, are we a fair and just enough country to vote for me or a nation bigots, in which case Hillary is going to win.

And that is a brilliant, brilliant move, because it puts the Clinton's totally on the defensive, it uses the race issue in a very positive way, and it shines a spotlight on what they've been trying to do. It was no coincidence that Bill Clinton mentioned Jesse Jackson. Bill Clinton won the South Carolina primary, why didn't he talk about that? He one it twice in '92 and in '96, why didn't he mention that? The Al Gore won it. The point is that he went back to Jesse Jackson, because he wants to create the thing Obama as a black candidate. But now Obama has called his bluff on that, and I think, right now, for the first time, that Obama has a serious chance of defeating Hillary Clinton.

COLMES: Now, you've been saying all along, Dick, that you think Hillary will be the nominee, your percentage attributed to that, have reduced themselves over the last few months, but you consistently said that you believe she will be not only the nominee, but the next president of the United States.

MORRIS: Right. Well, I'm beginning to doubt that, I think that she's in real trouble right now. I also think that there are strong efforts underway to get other major Democratic party figures to endorse Obama. I think you may see, conceivably, in next few days, former president, Jimmy Carter doing that. And there is even some speculation that Gore is considering that. And I think that the Kennedy endorsement may just be the first of a variety of endorsements by Democrats.

HANNITY: Well, what's happening, I mean, John Kerry, you've got Caroline Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, Pat Leahy, these are people that know the Clinton's well.

Let me read the headline from Saturday night, Dick, and I want you to respond. "Barack Obama routed Hillary in a racially charged South Carolina primary, Saturday night, regaining momentum leading up to Super Tuesday." He got 81 percent of the black vote. Now, earlier today, Al Sharpton said that he should shut up, meaning, Bill Clinton, Charlie Rangel begging Bill Clinton to back off, Tony Morrison who said he was America's first black president, is now endorsing Obama. This seems like an avalanche by a lot of prominent people against them.

MORRIS: Well, I think that he has really been nailed, I think that people, this strategy, which was supposed to be under the radar and subtle, of racial polarization, has now blown up into a gigantic public controversy. And I think the Kennedy endorsements are not significant in that anyone is going to vote because Ted Kennedy told me to it, but because it epitomizes the idea of a new generation and a Democratic Party consensus that the Clinton's have gone too far.

HANNITY: Well, I think what we learned in South Carolina is the politics of racial divide, the cheap shots, the ad hominem attacks, politics or personal destruction was rejected and even by Ted Kennedy, who according to reports, had excoriated Bill Clinton behind the scenes for his comments against Barack Obama. I mean, when John Kerry says to stop lying and distorting the record of Barack Obama, those are harsh words from somebody who's supposed to an ally and a friend and knows you well.

MORRIS: And we're sitting here seven days before Super Tuesday. That is not a lot of time for Bill and Hillary to change the subject, and we will be still reeling from this stiff as we go into Super Tuesday, and that absolutely could kill her.

HANNITY: Florida, not as important for the Democrats as it is for the Republicans tomorrow. We've had this ongoing battle starting Saturday night between Senator McCain and Mitt Romney. All the polls show, this is a dead heat. What do you think is going to happen, and what happens to the person that wins and the one that loses?

MORRIS: Well I think two things about that, Sean. I think that it doesn't matter which one edges out who. If it's a close race and McCain or Romney edge out the other one, I don't think that's very important because the delegates at stake are OK, but it's only half of what it would normally be. I think that what's important about it is that Rudy and Huckabee are now marginalized and it's become a two-way fight. And I have to tell you, Sean, whether you agree with Romney or with McCain, McCain can win against Hillary, and Romney can't.

HANNITY: I disagree, and what a surprise. I think both of them could win and Romney could win and surprise a lot of people...

COLMES: And neither of them will win.

HANNITY: And coming up -- thanks Dick -- more on Hillary and Bill Clinton, or just say Billary -- when Frank Luntz returns with his focus groups, plus Mike Huckabee is in Florida looking to make up some ground, but will the Sunshine State be the end of the road. Huckabee supporter, the great Chuck Norris has the answers and much more, straight ahead.

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HANNITY: And you might have seen our next guest on the popular show "Walker, Texas Ranger" but tonight he is joining us as one of Governor Huckabee's biggest supporters and with us the actor, Chuck Norris. Good friends. How are you my friend?

CHUCK NORRIS, ACTOR: I'm doing great, Sean.

HOLMES: Nice to see you, Chuck.

HANNITY: I wake up this morning, "Sarasota Herald-Tribune" and we have an article, here is a headline, Huckabee not happy with Hannity or Miami traffic. In the headline. Now it goes on to explain ...

COLMES: I feel the same way.

HANNITY: Sean Hannity, the conservative Republican's dream, syndicated radio host, Fox News, he trashes liberals, proud of that, and then he goes on to say loves conservative Republicans but Mike Huckabee, the social conservative is not singing praises these days. When I met Huckabee at airport, asked him about his potentially pulling out of Florida early he pointed at Hannity as the reason that rumor just won't die, he said Hannity started the false rumor on his television show and it won't go away.

I want to tell you where this came from. It was right here on the Fox News Channel. Let's roll the tape, Carl Cameron asking Mike Huckabee a question about how far he is going to go in Florida. Here was his answer.

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CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Huckabee can barely afford to advertise in Florida and hinted on his campaign plan that he'll skip Florida's primary today because he's not really a contender in the polls and only the winner collects delegates towards the nomination.

MIKE HUCKABEE, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I look at the dynamics every day. Because it's a winner-take-all state, we want to do well here but somebody gets it all. I mean, there are more delegates in Georgia than there are in Florida.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: I - now I want to be fair to Governor Huckabee. When I saw that I said, all right, so his strategy he is not thinking he is going to win Florida so he is going to go to the other states. I don't think I was unfair to him.

NORRIS: Well, I do, to be - Sean ...

COLMES: Go get him.

HANNITY: I'd better watch out.

NORRIS: The whole thing is he's number two in delegate votes, he's number two. He is leading in many of the states in the country right now.

HANNITY: Right.

NORRIS: In the Southern states especially. And the thing is if he can do well in Florida and make it good for him. So he is ahead of Giuliani so he is going to come in third, I hope and there. The thing is, I want to ask you a question, Sean.

HANNITY: Oh boy. Hang on, I've got to go.

NORRIS: If Mitt Romney didn't have $80 million plus of his own money to campaign with, where do you think he'd be standing in the polls right now?

HANNITY: I don't know the answer. You're asking me a hypothetical question.

NORRIS: I'll tell you where it was.

HANNITY: Hang on a second. But he did raise more money than any other candidate.

NORRIS: Special interests, yeah, sure.

HANNITY: And I don't think he should be punished. If he wants to invest in his own campaign, I think he ought to be able to do so.

NORRIS: Then why can't I give more than $2,300?

HANNITY: You should be able to give whatever you want.

NORRIS: Yeah, well, I can't. Twenty-three hundred dollars, if I give more than that I go to jail.

HANNITY: You'll go to jail.

NORRIS: Why should a guy, because he's rich and McCain and Huckabee aren't rich. So they can't put their own money into it but yet Mitt Romney can pour $80 million of his own money into his own campaign.

HANNITY: This is a whole separate issue. But I want to go back ...

NORRIS: But the thing is, Sean, is he going to buy the White House?

HANNITY: I don't think - you know something?

NORRIS: He's going to buy the White House.

HANNITY: You can go back to Lou Larminbotte (ph) running for New York governor and you can go to Steve Forbes, who is running for president. Guys that put a tremendous amount of resources in their campaigns and it doesn't matter at the end of the day.

NORRIS: Oh, yes it does.

HANNITY: The American people - now, wait a minute. Mitt Romney has more votes, more delegates than anybody else and you can't say or argue that money caused people to vote for him.

NORRIS: Oh yes.

HANNITY: He got his case out there. If they didn't like him, they wouldn't vote for him.

NORRIS: He got 14,000 negative ads against McCain and Huckabee. Fourteen thousand.

COLMES: Lou Larmin (ph) got the nomination for governor.

HANNITY: And he lost.

COLMES: But he had the nomination. This could help Romney get the nomination. This could help Romney get the nomination. You make a very good point. Huckabee has gone very far ...

HANNITY: There you go ...

COLMES: First of all, I'm not arguing with Chuck Norris. I'm not going there. I have Chuck on my side.

NORRIS: No, I'm just very passionate about this.

COLMES: You are. And obviously, we talked about this on my radio show the other night and we thank you for coming on there.

What did you learn going on the campaign trail because this is not something - one doesn't expect to see you or Ric Flair necessarily on the campaign ...

NORRIS: Well, let me give you an example. I get up at 4:30 in the morning with Mike Huckabee. We did five TV shows from 6:00 to about 11:00 and then we went and did two rallies because they were overflow so we had to do two. By that time I said, Mike, I have to go take a nap. I am exhausted.

So I went back to the hotel to take a nap. He then - he did three more rallies, flew to New York, did David Letterman and we had a big rally that night so I got back up and went to the big one and he finally got back from New York ...

COLMES: And you wound up saying ...

NORRIS: Who wants to do that?

COLMES: Do you regret saying that McCain was too old.

NORRIS: Yes, I did. In fact, from now on I'm sticking to facts and not opinions because that was an opinion and now I'm sticking straight to the facts and my facts is with Romney as a flip-flopper. Sean, I don't care what you think and you support him. He's a flip-flopper.

Do you want a flip-flopper in the White House?

COLMES: Now hold on. Is this a matter of being on the campaign trail ...

HANNITY: I want to talk - I'm not allowed to talk right now.

COLMES: Doesn't stop you. But you get very tired. You say things ...

NORRIS: Absolutely. They all have.

COLMES: And you don't mean everything ...

NORRIS: They all have. When you do speech after speech after speech and then do a debate and you're going to say something that's wrong and get crucified for it. I mean ...

COLMES: You don't want to do this again, do you?

NORRIS: You have to have a calling to do something like this?

COLMES: Do you regret that you got this involved in this?

NORRIS: No, I want the right person in the White House and I don't think Romney is the right person. First of all, I don't think he can out- debate Hillary or Obama.

COLMES: I know you'd like to respond.

HANNITY: Can I ...

NORRIS: I don't think he can.

HANNITY: Can I say something? I spent a lot of time with all these candidates and you know what? I do like Mitt Romney. Listen, people - and you want to know the number one flip-flopper in this race in this country right now? It's Hillary Clinton.

COLMES: That's ridiculous.

HANNITY: She gave five answers on the one question on illegal drivers' licenses.

COLMES: I'm going to take some of my time back. Here is a guy who flip-flopped - had election year conversions on stem cell research, on abortion, on guns, on immigration. You name it. This is the guy who said he would be better for gay rights than Ted Kennedy when he was running against Ted Kennedy for senator of Massachusetts. Come on.

NORRIS: That's why I didn't support him. Because the thing is, you don't know where he stands.

HANNITY: But Governor Huckabee has problems with the conservatives. He had a net increase tax raising in Arkansas in $500 million states.

NORRIS: But when he left there it was in the black.

COLMES: I don't know how these conservatives who called Kerry a flip- flopper and who claimed that this person and that person are too liberal can support the formerly Republican liberal ...

HANNITY: The other thing is he had a thousand pardons and clemencies. What would Texas Walker think of that? The clemencies? Twelve murderers.

NORRIS: Thirteen of them he put to death.

COLMES: We've got to run but I've got to wonder ...

NORRIS: Sixteen.

COLMES: ... if he doesn't win, could he be McCain's VP.

NORRIS: McCain could be his VP or he could be McCain's.

COLMES: Thanks so much for being here. Good to see you.

Wait a minute, we've got some fisticuffs here. And Norris has won by a knockout.

Was it a great speech? Was it a bad speech? You can text in your point of view and had did the State of the Union fare with those in Congress? We'll ask two Congressman who were at the speech tonight and a look at how the president - what he said and how it might affect the presidential race, coming up.

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SEN. TED KENNEDY, (D) MA: I am proud to stand with him here today and offer my help, offer my voice, offer my energy, my commitment to make Barack Obama the next president of the United States.

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COLMES: Well, the president covered many issues affecting the state of our union, so how does all this impact the presidential race?

Joining us now, Georgia Congressman Jack Kingston and Washington Congressman Adam Smith. We welcome you both, you were both in the room tonight. Congressman Kingston, he's talking about health care and he's talking about education. He's talking about Medicare and he's talking about Social Security. Where has he been for seven years? We have all these problems after seven years of Bush being in the White House.

REP. JACK KINGSTON, (R) GA: Well, Alan, he's been talking about these things for seven years and I think that was the brilliance of tonight's speech. Instead of coming out with a bunch of last minute panic type issues. He stuck with the basics and kept with his domestic and his foreign agenda.

COLMES: We still have the same problems we had seven years ago listening to this speech. Adam Smith, how do you think he did?

REP. ADAM SMITH, (D) WA: Well, I think Jack is right. I think he did stick to what he's been saying for seven years, so in that he's remained consistent but there are a lot of challenges that have cropped up in those seven years and a lot of challenges that we had then that have not yet been addressed and there was a distinct lack of anything new, on Iraq, on healthcare, on a bunch of different issues.

COLMES: Hey, Jack Kingston, every year the same speech it seems. He talks about renewable energy, we have to get off of oil, we have to lose our dependence. I've heard him say that every single January for the last seven years. Why doesn't anything get done about it?

SMITH: Well, Allan, actually he did point out that we did pass an energy bill last year and he did help support the push alternative fuels.

He also talked about how last year at this time people were opposed to the surge and yet the results are somewhat partially in and the surge has worked and I think that's an important thing to underscore, that there has been progress made in the Middle East and in Iraq and I think he was able to say because of that, I'm going to send 3,200 Marines in Afghanistan and you didn't hear anybody booing on that and ...

COLMES: We're still now going further into Afghanistan but let's talk about the election that is on everybody's mind. Adam Smith, have you declared and what do you think of the Kennedys and other long time senators, the so-called Democratic establishment in many cases supporting Barack Obama?

SMITH: Well, I am very excited about it because I support Senator Obama as well. I endorsed him last February and I am the Washington State director for his campaign. I think he is running a great campaign. He is running the kind of campaign that so many of us have dreamed of for so long. A campaign that focuses on issues, not short term attacks. Not say whatever gets you through the day or the moment but actually focuses on the issues, on the people, on bringing people together instead of figuring out how to divide them.

And I think that message is resonating.

COLMES: Is there any pushback from the Clintons when a high profile Democrat like yourself or the Kennedys, for that matter, endorse a Barack Obama. Do you hear from the Clintons and what do they say to you?

SMITH: Well, I think you hear a lot from them before the decision is made. I heard from them very soon in February so I didn't hear much. But I know from what I've heard that Senator Kennedy heard a great deal.

HANNITY: Congressman Smith, this may be the first time I agree with you so we're setting a record here tonight but when you - a lot has been made about the use of racial politics and gender politics and personal destruction by the Clintons. And it seems that when the establishment is rejecting them and what we saw in South Carolina, I would argue, Saturday night, is an outright rejection of people of the way Clintons run campaigns and the way they've been running the Democratic Party. Do you see it that way? They've been very negative, extremely negative?

SMITH: Well, Sean, this is Barack Obama bringing people together, even you and me. I agree with you on that and I think really the issue is in Nevada and elsewhere, what the Clintons did was the old political trick of take something, distort it, twist it completely away from the facts and then just say it often enough until people believe it and I am heartened that that has been rejected.

HANNITY: Congressman Kingston, it's a big battle. We've got a very important primary coming up in Florida tomorrow that will create momentum into a week from tomorrow and that's Super Tuesday. A big battle over an accusation by Senator McCain that Mitt Romney supported timetables back in April and comments that he made on "Good Morning America."

Now I looked at and watched the tape. On that very interview he said he, like President Bush, that is Governor Romney would veto any timetable. Is this a distortion by Senator McCain and do you think there'll be any backlash now that that information has gotten out?

KINGSTON: Well, I don't think there's going to be a backlash because of it. I think the problem is that Romney is pulling ahead of McCain in Florida and Romney is going to I think rack up a lot of victories on Super Tuesday and it will be over with for McCain and then the fact is McCain- Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, conservative voters are very leery of John McCain and that's why people are starting to move from McCain and from Huckabee to Romney.

HANNITY: So you're pretty convinced that Governor Romney is going to win this thing in Florida tomorrow?

KINGSTON: I am. And President Bush talked about health care and we all are concerned about health care. The Democrats really don't vary too much on issues. They vary on style but the reality is Mitt Romney is the only candidate who has delivered on health care.

HANNITY: You're like me, Congressman Kingston, inasmuch as I would actually prefer to go up against Hillary Clinton and I think she is the weaker candidate for Republicans. Her unfavorables still hover around 50 percent. She cannot get away from what a divisive political figure she is.

KINGSTON: I think that's true but I think on the other hand Obama, she has been afraid to attack Obama, Obama is a standard brand liberal. That's why Ted Kennedy supports him and that's why the American people will have an easy choice with Senator Obama.

HANNITY: Congressman Smith, there you go. There is my endorsement for Hillary. Sorry.

SMITH: But we know where it's coming from.

HANNITY: I bet you do. So anyway, I just think he's a stronger candidate, I think that's a compliment.

COLMES: I hope Romney wins.

HANNITY: Anyway, good to see you guys. Thank you both for being with us and coming up we check in with pollster Frank Luntz and his focus group. Find out what the people think of Bill and Hillary as a team and their campaign style. All of that. The people speak, straight ahead when we get back.

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HANNITY: All right. So do what do the voters think of the team of Bill and Hillary Clinton and if they can give them advice, what would it be?

We check in once again with our good friend Frank Luntz. He has their reactions tonight. Frank, fascinating results tonight so far.

FRANK LUNTZ, REPUBLICAN POLLSTER: Well, we had an opportunity to talk to Democrats as well and asked them about the impact of Bill Clinton. The remarkable thing is while Obama supporters are frustrated with what the president has been saying, they still like him. And when we asked the question, would you like Bill Clinton to have a third term, the answers were remarkable.

Let's take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The word has been with Hillary you get Bill. Bill has a useful role as a former president. A more useful role as a first husband.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is going to be president. He will not be able to be a part of the Cabinet unless he is appointed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does anybody want to relive Whitewater for four years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can't have him as president again. It won't happen. We want Dan Marino back to the Dolphins but we can't have him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you had Bill you had Hillary anyway. She was involved in that entire administration one way or another and giving advice, doing whatever she was doing, the same thing will be true with Bill there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are the best eight years that this country has seen in the last century.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely.

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LUNTZ: So make no mistake. Even though Obama supporters are agitated and outright upset with the president's role, they still think he'd make a great third term and I bet if you asked the question, would you rather have Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton, I bet you Bill Clinton would have won.

Now we had an opportunity also to ask them what advice you would have for ex-President Clinton. And here they were as explicit as you ever could have hoped for. Let's listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would advise Clinton to kind of take a step back and let his wife do all the work. She is the one who is running for president, not him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would advise ex-President Clinton to also maybe take a vacation or something of that nature during this whole political race and let the two people who are out front, let them go ahead and take care of it and let them two deal with all the issues.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To use less emotion and a little bit more intellect when discussing, talking about Barack Obama and focus more on promoting his wife than knocking down Barack.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would advise President Clinton to do exactly what he's been doing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bill Clinton was a dynamic statesman and a seasoned diplomat and I would like him to be a resource for Hillary and not to get involved in the mudslinging.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Clinton should take a step back and he should let his wife do the work but he should also still be there and be supportive for her but not in the public eye.

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LUNTZ: Now, again, these are Democrats. They are voting in the Democratic primary. They will vote for a Democratic president. But the message is so clear, President Clinton, if you're watching, back off.

HANNITY: Frank, when we compare that and put that with the exit polling data, clearly along all demographics but especially among African Americans, the politics of Bill Clinton played a big part in their rejecting Hillary, 81 percent of the black vote in South Carolina went to Barack Obama. After all of these incidents, Charlie Rangel, James Clyburn, Al Sharpton used the word to Bill Clinton, shut up today in his criticism.

So it seems to be building and this temper flaring up seems to get - be building as well. It seems to either be a strategy or a strategy coupled with his compulsion that seems to be out of control there.

LUNTZ: There is this polarization and I used to accuse Hillary Clinton of polarizing when in fact her husband is doing it far more.

Now, Sean, think of this through history. It took the Democrats decades to bring whites, African Americans and Latinos all under the same tent and Bill Clinton in a matter of weeks is destroying that.

COLMES: You know, Frank, once there is a nominee, whether it is a Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, and these are a group of Democrats who seem very happy either way, even if they don't get Barack Obama and they get Hillary Clinton, which means to some extent they get Bill Clinton. They will be very happy. How that affects independents and Republicans may be different. We don't know yet. But there'll be, I'm sure, outreach and not such great discontent if Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama are the nominee.

LUNTZ: You have a 90 percent change of being accurate there and I believe at this point you are. However, I bring you back to 1968 and this election is very similar to that. When Bobby Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy went after each other. The two of them agreed on virtually everything but the personality clash became so vicious, so personal, that Kennedy and McCarthy people didn't talk to each other for a decade.

Alan, the Clinton people have to be very careful. They have reached that line. If Bill Clinton goes over it any further there could be some permanent damage.

COLMES: All right. But you are saying that as an independent pollster. We don't know exactly how Democrats are going to feel and we know there is a period of healing after every primary fight and people come together. That happens on the left and it happens on the right.

LUNTZ: You're right. Ninety-five percent of all Democrats, maybe even 97 percent are going to vote for the Democratic nominee. But I still got to warn you, Bill Clinton has got to be careful.

COLMES: All right. Frank, we thank you very much for being with us tonight.

Coming up, we're going to return with your final text voting results on the State of the Union. We'll tell you what you are telling us via your text messages when we get back in just a moment.

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COLMES: Finally tonight, the results of our State of the Union poll. The winner. Ron Paul. I'm just kidding.

HANNITY: That was funny.

COLMES: Eighty-four percent thought the president did excellent. Four percent think he did fair and 10 percent thought he had a poor performance.

Fascinating that so many, including the Frank Luntz focus group thought he did a fairly good job.

HANNITY: And what's amazing about the Frank Luntz group - it's a group of independents. When they ask going in, how many of you had a high opinion of the president, the number was not high, but overwhelmingly they thought he did a great job tonight. I think the president laid out his case. It reinforced a lot of his old values. The things that are important to him. He spent a lot of time on Iraq. I think a very favorable response to eliminating earmarks, the economy, making that a top priority.

And ...

COLMES: We still have huge deficit, huge debt. They've increased since he's been president. We're still in Iraq ...

HANNITY: Hang on a second. He inherited a recession. The negative impact ...

COLMES: He did not inherit a recession. That's two or more quarters of negative growth ...

HANNITY: Can I finish? The negative impact of 9/11 on the economy. He's had 50 some odd months of unprecedented growth. Ten million new jobs have been created. Record low unemployment. Inflation got ...

COLMES: We also lost jobs, too - the economy is not good. Housing starts are down ...

HANNITY: You don't even know what a good economy is if you believe that.

COLMES: There was no recession at the beginning of the Bush presidency.

HANNITY: Go look at the Carter years and you'll know what a bad economy was.

COLMES: That's all we have for tonight. Tomorrow night another special edition of HANNITY & COLMES. Live coverage of the Florida GOP primary, see you then.


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