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MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Clearly there's some things in this country that are on the wrong track.


HANNITY: Huckabee heads south, but first he'll explain some controversial comments and his no amnesty pledge right here. Plus, on the eve of the South Carolina primary, the flag flap rears its ugly head again. Ann Coulter tonight weighs in. Hillary Clinton talks affairs on Tyra Banks. All of that plus --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want the lord to use me to bring hope, in spite of what Hannity says.


HANNITY: Barack Obama's pastor goes after me. Mike Huckabee, Hillary on Tyra, and Obama's pastor takes shots; there's only one place to see it all; HANNITY AND COLMES, starts right here, right now.

ALAN COLMES, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Welcome to HANNITY AND COLMES. We get right to our top story tonight. We're less than 24 hours away from an all- important first in the south primary in South Carolina. Things have gotten ugly on the campaign trail. Joining us now from the trail is presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. Governor, welcome back to HANNITY AND COLMES, sir.

MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you. You said things got ugly and then turned to me. That kind of hurts. But I think I understand what you mean.

COLMES: We're not talking about physically ugly, OK. And you're not physically ugly. I'm secure enough in my masculinity to say you're not physically ugly.

Let me ask you -- let's look at the latest polls, McCain at 27, you 20, Romney 15 -- this is South Carolina -- Thompson 11. Does it look like you're going to win tomorrow or are you going to have a real battle on your hands with John McCain?

HUCKABEE: It's going to be a battle, but I think we're going to win. We sense the momentum. We see a lot of other polls that show us basically tied, but the numbers moving our direction. And we're going into tomorrow with a hard work behind us, but confidence. I believe I'll stand on the stage tomorrow night and make a victory speech. It's the only one I'm going to prepare.

COLMES: There have been some issues that have come up. We use the word ugly about some of these issues. One of them is the Confederate Flag. Do you personally find it offensive to fly the Confederate Flag?

HUCKABEE: The whole point I've tried to make is this is absolutely non-issue for presidential candidates, whether it's the South Carolina flag, the Arkansas flag, the Texas flag. We've got a country that has really serious unemployment plans. We've got unsecure borders.

But seriously, for a president to jump into that just doesn't make any sense, and that's what's wrong with Washington right now. They get involved in things they shouldn't be involved in. They're not fixing the problems that people want them to fix. So what I said was --

COLMES: Do you see it as symbol of southern pride or do you see it as a symbol of racism? how do you personally view that flag?

HUCKABEE: It doesn't matter -- No, you're missing my point, Alan, with all due respect. It's not an issue for me because I don't live in South Carolina. South Carolinians have dealt with this issue. They've put it behind them. When Governor David Beasley dealt with this issue, he told me today -- because he's helping this campaign -- he said he never called a single person from Washington and asked them what they thought.

And my whole point was -- we had people come to our rallies and bringing the issue up dressed in different costumes and so on, and I said look, I'm not getting into it. I just know that if somebody came to my state and tried to make our state flag an issue -- we can fight among ourselves inside the state, but if you step across from somebody else's state, we don't appreciate it a whole lot.

COLMES: In the state you've got a group called Americans for The Preservation for American Culture taking out ads against McCain and against Romney and basically supporting you, saying John McCain has been doing it, calling the flag a racist symbol for year, saying that Mitt Romney waving at a Confederate Battle Flag -- Governor Romney turns out be like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Do you support what this group is doing?

HUCKABEE: No, I don't support some of the independent groups. I don't support what the Club For Growth has done to me, spending 750,000 dollars, most of which was given by Mit Romney supporters, who maxed out to him, and then gave a couple of hundred thousand a piece to attack me in ads here.

These whole 527s under McCain/Feingold are out of control. I'd love to see a lot of things changed in the campaign finance laws because candidates don't have any ability to step in and stop it. In fact, it's against the law if we were to call them and ask them to stop it, even though in Iowa and in New Hampshire, we asked the state's attorney generals in each of those states to investigate.

And if there's any way to stop it, we wanted them to because I think some of these tactics are disingenuous. They don't necessarily help the candidate for whom they're intended. And I'd rather people just either be for me or against me, but do it through the campaigns, do it up front, do it honestly.

HANNITY: Governor, we have noticed a pattern in Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, that people are deciding a lot of times in the last 24 hours. What's your final pitch to the people of South Carolina?

HUCKABEE: Well, I don't want to give any numbers. I do think we're going to win tomorrow. And there's still some undecided voters out there, but I sense that a lot of the voters who are with us are really with us. And I'm convinces, even though it's supposed to snow up in Greenville and Spartanburg, all over Rock Hill and those areas -- I'm convinced people who are going to vote for me are truly going to go out there. And if they're not, we're asking them to mind that weather and stay home and stay warm.

HANNITY: Your chief opponent there is Senator John McCain. Is he liberal?

HUCKABEE: No, John McCain is not a liberal. These are tags that people throw at each other. John McCain may see some things differently than me and we do differ on a number of issues. Some of it may be immigration, the McCain-Feingold act. There are some differences we have. I support a Human Life Amendment to the Constitution, as well as a Marriage Amendment to the constitution. But that doesn't make him a liberal.

I think when people start throwing those terms out -- a liberal would be somebody on the Democratic side --

HANNITY: Alan is a liberal.

COLMES: And proud of it.

HANNITY: I want to ask you one question about the flag because it has gotten so much press just in the last 24 hours, governor. One of the lines you have -- and I know a lot of people found it amusing, "if somebody were to come to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell them what to do with the pole, that's what we would do."

Reverend Al Sharpton has weighed in. Although he did call you John Huckabee, not Mike Huckabee, in a press release he put out today. And he talked about being in the Martin Luther King Jr. celebration and birthday before the primary; John Huckabee, obviously talking about you, has sought to divide this country between blacks and whites, north and south, by implicitly supporting South Carolina's right to fly the Confederate Flag over the state Capitol.

How do you respond to Al Sharpton or do you not want to respond to Al Sharpton?

HUCKABEE: There's no point. Al Sharpton has his own objectives for getting involved in this, and it's not about bringing a civil conversation to the table. Anybody who thinks that I have any issue about race obviously hasn't spent a lot of time in my state. I got 48 percent of the African-American vote. The speech I gave at Central High on the 40th anniversary was a speech that was considered prophetic by many, because I called out racism in my own state, the racism in 1957 at Central High. I called it immoral. I called it a sin.

I don't think I could have been any clearer. I don't think anybody who knows this way I govern to ever accuse me of something like that.

HANNITY: Didn't Bill Clinton serve under that flag for the years he was governor? Correct me if I'm wrong in Arkansas?

HUCKABEE: Well, I'm not sure -- the flag of Arkansas is not a flag that I know of having any controversy.

HANNITY: From years ago. And he has said on many occasions that his political mentor is a guy by the name of J. William Fulbright, who was a known segregationist. That's all true, right, governor?

HUCKABEE: He was early in his career. I think later he renounced it. But in his early career he was. You know what I think people forget, Sean, it was a Republican president, Eisenhower, that brought about the integration of Central High School. It was also a Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation. Republicans have had a much better record on truly trying to bring civil rights than they have been given credit.

But the real hero in civil rights was Dr. King. And the fact is, it was the church and the prophetic voice of Dr. King. The government came dragging and kicking and screaming. It wasn't like they led the way. They followed. And they followed the leadership of Dr. King.

HANNITY: And Lyndon Johnson depend order the Republicans to get the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act passed. I want to ask you one question; things have definitely heated up since we had our debate, Fox debate in Myrtle Beach between both you and Fred Thompson. He put out a press release today. Earlier in the day you had made the comment that our constitution is a living, breathing document. And he said he heard that this morning and he said, frankly, I assumed that came from Senator Clinton or Senator Obama. It is identical to what Al Gore said when he was running for president in 2000 when he said he would look for judges who believe that very point.

Things are very heated, seem very contentious between you and Fred. How do you respond to his criticism?

HUCKABEE: Well, they're only heated Fred toward me. I don't have any heat toward Fred. I think Fred just gets up too late to get the whole story. Here's the fact, if we hadn't changed the constitution, which we've done 27 times in 221 years, women couldn't vote, we wouldn't have African- Americans voting. In fact, we wouldn't have ended slavery. The freedom of the press wouldn't be there in the First Amendment. And we wouldn't have the tenth amendment that left powers to the states that weren't in the constitution.

When I say a living, breathing document, I'm not talking about judges changing it, I'm talking about the process because the genius of the Constitution is that it can be changed. The genius of the Bible is that we only have ten commandments, not nine, not 12.

HANNITY: By the way, thank you for helping us work a special edition of HANNITY AND COLMES, 8:30 to 10:00 tomorrow night. Hopefully we'll be seeing you then. We'll be looking forward to the results in South Carolina.

Thank you, governor, appreciate you being with us.

HUCKABEE: Thank you, Sean. Take care, Alan.

HANNITY: Coming up, the Confederate Flag debate takes its place front and center in the fight for the South Carolina primary. Which candidates are supporters of the controversial symbol? That answer coming up next, straight ahead.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McCain's been doing it, calling the flag a racist symbol for years. And he's still at it full steam ahead. After McCain, Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee's stand is a breath of fresh air. Waving a Confederate Battle flag in front of Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney turns out to be like waving a red flag in front of a bull. He charges. Romney let fly in a CNN debate, saying that flag shouldn't be shown.


HANNITY: That was the latest round of attacks aimed at Senator John McCain and Governor Mitt Romney for their views on the Confederate Flag. Americans for the Preservation of American Culture promote the protection of the Confederate Flag. Mike Huckabee believes the government should stay out of the Confederate Flag dispute. Romney and McCain have been open about their contempt for the controversial symbol.

Joining us is the author of "If Democrats Had any Brains They Would Be Republicans," best selling author Ann Coulter. And also joining us former Democratic pollster Pat Caddell.

Ann, let's start with you. Here is Mike Huckabee's line. As I mentioned to him, if somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell them what to do with the pole. That's what we would do.

ANN COULTER, AUTHOR, "IF DEMOCRATS HAD ANY BRAINS": Yes, and he hasn't flip-flopped on that. That's good. And I remembered that Youtube debate where Romney said something untoward about the Confederate Flag, and that was the only thing I said after the debate. Mitt Romney just lost the south.

As Pat Caddell and I have discussed frequently, the brilliant aspect of the Civil War, the sort of amazing thing about it was it was a civil war that actually ended. We're not like the Balkans. We're not like Iraq. We're not still fighting these wars. And part of the reason for that is the respect with which the north treated the defeated south and honored the flag.

The Confederate Flag that southerners see as a symbol of heritage, which it is, never flew over any Confederate Buildings. It was a battle flag. The military is shot through with southerners. This really isn't a liberal-conservative thing tonight, it's a northern-southern thing.

HANNITY: Pat Caddell, your thoughts?

PAT CADDELL, FORMER DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER: We've talked about this before, actually. My point is, look, for many southerners, it's a cultural thing because of the Civil War. In fact, I thought Shelby Foote (ph), the great Civil War historian, put it best. He said this is a very -- this flag has been stolen and used by terrible people for terrible reasons. And that is true.

Let me just say about the flag here in South Carolina. It seems to come up every presidential election. The answer is it doesn't belong up there. The flag was changed in 1956 as a sign of resistance. But the point is that it shouldn't be an issue in this campaign, and --

HANNITY: Let me ask you this --

CADDELL: I think it doesn't belong up on the Capitol steps, and I thought South Carolina was solving this problem, but it never seems to go away.

HANNITY: It doesn't seem to go away. And it's as predictable as the day is long, every four years this comes up. Ann Coulter, going back to the words of Al Sharpton, who has gotten into this debate, that Huckabee has sought to divide the country between blacks and whites, north and south, implicitly supporting South Carolina's right to fly this flag. Is he saying that anybody that disagrees with him on the flag issue -- in other words, there may be some people who use the flag because they have a racist view that they want to enforce. I do not believe that's the majority of people's views.

COULTER: Not in the south, certainly. No, I think what you're telling me Al Sharpton is saying is is that he's accusing someone else of playing the race card.

COLMES: You know what happened is they took it off the capital of South Carolina. They made it part of a larger display on the grounds of the Capitol, but it still does fly. I want to ask each of you; Kevin Alexander Gray (ph) is former head of the ACLU in South Carolina. He's African-American, a civil rights activist. He says the Confederate Flag represents slavery, racial oppression, and a deep seated belief in the rightness --

let me get the question out, Pat -- in the rightnes of the confederacy. If so -- Many people share that view.

COULTER: That's preposterous.

COLMES: If so many people find that to be so offensive, why hold that up and wave it in the face of people who are so offended by what that represents to them?

COULTER: Because we don't have a heckler's veto in this country, because people can go around saying oh, the clan uses crosses; I find crosses offensive. That isn't what it stands for.

COLMES: It does stand for that to a lot of people.

COULTER: -- but certainly the rest of the south.

COULTER: Not to you, Ann, but to many other people, that's exactly what it stands for.

COULTER: But it's historically preposterous. It is ridiculous. The majority of military bases --


COULTER: The majority of military bases in this country are named after Confederate Officers, Eisenhower, Nimitz, the list of southerners in our military --

COLMES: Pat, many people find this extremely offensive. There's a boycott between South Carolina. People are offended. It is a very sensitive issue to African-Americans.

CADDELL: I agree with that. I'm also saying that most white southerners and some black southerners see it as a historical symbol. It is not necessarily a sign, but I understand many blacks feel it is, and that's why it does not belong flying over the state capitol. The state flag of South Carolina comes from the revolution. It's the crescent and the Palmetto Tree from Fort Moltry (ph) and that has been the state flag against the sea of blue. It has no Confederate Flag. The Confederate Flag does not belong on the state Capitol.

COLMES: Where does it belong?

COULTER: Over in Mississippi.

COLMES: You're saying it does belong on the state Capitol, Ann. Is that correct?

CADDELL: It's been used badly by the Klu Klux Klan and other people as part of a campaign of hate. And that's immoral and it is offensive to many white southerners.

COLMES: And it's offensive to many African-Americans all over the country. Ann, you say it should fly on the capital or do you agree with Pat?

COULTER: Pat is talking specifically about the history of the flag in South Carolina. They had a vote on this in Mississippi and 30 percent of blacks voted to retain the Confederate Flag.

COLMES: Last time I checked that's under 50 percent.

COULTER: -- whenever it was is specific to South Carolina. There's nothing dishonorable about the Confederate Flag. It's an honorable symbol.

COLMES: To you. We thank you both very much for being with us. Coming up, Hillary Clinton reveals her inner demons to day time diva Tyra Banks. The former first lady opens up about Monica Lewinsky. We'll play the interview coming up on HANNITY AND COLMES.



SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I really had to dig down deep and think hard about what was right for me, what was right for my family. And I never doubted Bill's love for me, ever. And I never doubted my faith and my commitment to our daughter and our extended family. But I had to decide what I had to do. And I think it's so important to be able to hear yourself at a moment when it's hard.


COLMES: That was Hillary Clinton on today's Tyra Banks Show, revealing her anguish and embarrassment over the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Tomorrow marks the 10 year anniversary of the highly publicized White House intern scandal. Hillary's opponents remain silent on the campaign trail.

McCain, on the other hand, continues to fight of a daily barrage of attacks from his Republican rivals. With us is now is former Clinton adviser Dick Morris. To keep up-to-date on the presidential race you can subscribe for free to Dick's columns and news letters at

They remain silent. You yourself have said on this show, Dick, that if you want to go after those old scandals, you make that the centerpiece of this campaign. That's not going to help the Republicans win. And it shouldn't be the centerpiece.

DICK MORRIS, DICKMORRIS.COM: To me what's important about the Lewinsky scandal and about the -- all of the Paula Jones and all the other stuff, in terms of Hillary's candidacy, is not that she was the victim, but that she organized this army of four or five private detectives, some of whom were paid with private money, some in 1992 by public matching funds, whose job was to find the women Clinton was involved with, not to reform him, not to divorce him, but to blackmail them into silence.

And I don't think that woman should be in charge of the FBI, the IRS, the CIA, the NSA, or the FBI.

COLMES: But you've said on this show a number of times that -- this has come up for years now. It comes up over and over again. And to keep bringing this up in the middle of a campaign is not going to help you guys beat the Clintons.

MORRIS: It's very funny. You have all of these people savaging Obama, emails that he's a Muslim, people savaging McCain, emails that his daughter, who he adopted from a Mother Teresa orphanage, is his illegitimate daughter.

COLMES: Not that you want to bring any of this stuff up.

MORRIS: Come on, all of those are wrong and they're lies.

COLMES: And they should not be mentioned.

MORRIS: They should be to rebut them. That's how things spread. But nobody's doing that about Hillary.

COLMES: You're doing it.

MORRIS: The reason they're not is what are we going to say? We're going to send out an email that she got -- her brother got 250,000 bucks to pardon a drug dealer? Another email that says, anonymous phone call --

COLMES: We're so happy to have you here.


MORRIS: All her stuff is out there.

HANNITY: What you're saying is relevant and important to this campaign because it is coming up, and it's important that we tell our viewers what's happening. On Dick's web site, Hillary the movie. I'm going to watch it this weekend. I want to ask you specifically, Bill Clinton's temper, even the "New York Times" dealt with this today. You always said her temper was far worse, but his flaring up is apparently becoming a big negative and a big problem for the campaign.

MORRIS: Her temper is a cool, angry, I'll slit your throat in the middle of the night temper. His temper is an explosive wild rant that calms down very quickly. But you're seeing an undue amount of it. Bill Clinton is hurting Hillary, because he's -- can you imagine Dennis Thatcher defending Maggie during the Faulklins War? Either this woman can stand on her feet or she can't. Either she's able to be president on her own or she's not. Every time Bill Clinton opens his mouth, he's saying she's not.

HANNITY: It's funny, because Gail Sheehy (ph) wrote she's angry not all of the time but most of the time about her. They both have a temper problem. We don't have a lot of time left. I want to ask you about this race in South Carolina tomorrow. Tom Delay basically said today on the Hill that he'd sit out the election if Senator McCain wins. What does that mean to you?

MORRIS: Well, I think McCain would be a very strong and a very good candidate and a very good president. I do want to be very critical of my good friend Mike Huckabee.


MORRIS: I totally disagree with him about that Confederate Flag. I'm Jewish, and to me the Confederate Flag is to blacks what the Swastika is for me. It stands for slavery and oppression.

HANNITY: Do you think he made a mistake or does he help himself in South Carolina?

MORRIS: I don't know if he helps himself, but it was a morally wrong position, and I condemn it.

HANNITY: But he's saying the state should decide and we he shouldn't come in as an outsider and tell the state. That's not a viable position for you?

MORRIS: I think it's wrong. If the Germans put a Swastika in their flag, you bet I'd be talking about it.

HANNITY: You think it is the moral equivalent of Swastika? Everybody that supports that flag is then racist?

MORRIS: No, but everybody who supported it in 1861 was racist.

HANNITY: But the ones supporting it now are not. Maybe some.

MORRIS: I think that it is not what the flag represents now, it's what it represented then.

HANNITY: Dick, appreciate it. We'll see you this week.

Coming up, Barack Obama's controversial pastor takes a shot at me. We're going to play you that tape when we get back, straight ahead.



HANNITY: At this past Sunday's service, Barack Obama's controversial pastor had plenty to say about Hillary Clinton and the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and last night during another speech, the Reverend moved past Hillary and went after little old me. Listen to this.


REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT, PASTOR: I want the Lord to use me to bring hope. In spite of what Hannity or Hobbes [SIC] say, I want the Lord to use me to restore change. I want the Lord to use me to give back courage to people, to use me to expose governmental hypocrisy so people can see the heart of God and so that people will stand up and say what matters to God matters to me.


HANNITY: And joining us now from the Georgia Coalition for the People's Agenda is the Reverend Dr. Joseph Lowery.

Doctor, do you miss me? I lived in Atlanta four years. We were friends. Do you miss me?

REV. DR. JOSEPH LOWERY, GEORGIA COALITION FOR THE PEOPLE'S AGENDA: You'd be surprised how much I miss you, Sean. When are you coming back?

HANNITY: Well, I go back. I'm on the radio, WSB every day. We're here on "Hannity & Colmes." You know, I'm saying hi to you every night.

LOWERY: But you need to be based in Atlanta where I can get a hold of you.

COLMES: Hey, I agree.

HANNITY: Well, I will tell you this. We did have some good debates over the years, and I always admired you a lot. Your work in the civil rights movement is incredible. The Southern Christian Leadership Council.

My good friend, our mutual friend Jose Williams who passed away, Maynard Jackson. We had some wonderful years in Atlanta, I've got to tell you.

Let me ask you about Barack Obama's pastor. He gave an award to Louis Farrakhan, and he said he's a man who truly epitomized greatness. Now, I know that -- I know that Barack Obama distanced himself from it, but do you think Louis Farrakhan is a racist, an anti-Semite?

LOWERY: Well, I'm in no position to judge Louis Farrakhan. I don't - - I didn't know that's what we were going to talk about. I thought we were talking about the election.

HANNITY: We'll talk about everything.

LOWERY: Louis Farrakhan -- Louis Farrakhan is an important figure in this country.

HANNITY: Louis Farrakhan, Reverend.

LOWERY: But he has said some things with which I disagree. He's said some things with which I do agree, but I don't think that's the issues when we face the election.

HANNITY: Well, but wait a minute. If Barack Obama's pastor is associating with a man who refers to Judaism as a gutter religion, the white -- but God teaches me in his magazine that the white man is the skunk of the planet earth.

You would admit that's racist and anti-Semitic? Reverend Lowery, you've never been shy about standing for truth and civil rights. That's not - that's something you ought to be willing to condemn, no?

LOWERY: Well, I think the important truth here is that Barack Obama has stated his position. That's all I care about.

HANNITY: All right.

LOWERY: Jeremiah Wright isn't running for president. Neither is Louis Farrakhan.

HANNITY: All right.

LOWERY: Barack Obama has made his position clear. That's where he stands. I stand with him.

HANNITY: All right. Reverend, you're a Christian, and I'm a Christian. And I believe our time on this earth, you know, relatively speaking, is going to be very short. And I think God judges people's hearts and people's souls, and he's not looking at people's skin color. I think you -- we both agree on that.

But yet his pastor also -- he has this adherence to this church to what he calls the black value system. Let me read it to you. Where he says -- he asks his congregation to make a commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic, to pledge acquired skills available to the black community, strengthening and supporting black institutions, pledging allegiance to all black leadership who have embraced the black value system.

You know, I'm thinking you're a Christian, I'm a Christian. Aren't we all brothers and sisters of Christ? Why would he bring race into it? And doesn't that sound separatist to you?

LOWERY: Well, I think -- and, again, I have no intention of trying to -- Jeremiah Wright is a scholar, a profound thinker, an electrifying preacher, and I'm not in the business of evaluating or judging his sermons.

But I will say this, that as a pastor of a predominantly black congregation, as a servant of the black community, I repeated most of those same words. I want people to support black-owned businesses. I want people to embrace a value system that says that all men are equal, but that blacks have to assume responsibility for the future and so forth.

COLMES: Hey, Reverend.

LOWERY: So I don't see anything wrong with that. But besides that, he isn't asking for my vote, and I don't plan to vote for him, so what's the point?

COLMES: Reverend, it's Alan Colmes. Thank you for coming back on our show. Look, they're trying to smear Obama by guilt by association with his preacher and then with Louis Farrakhan. I don't hear people asking who are the priests that Rudy Giuliani talks to? Is there any dirty laundry there?

HANNITY: They just attack Mitt Romney every day. Excuse me.

LOWERY: But let me tell you -- let me tell you...

COLMES: Who are the people that -- who are the -- who are the pastors of the other candidates? Let's find out all the things they're saying. I want to hear that.

LOWERY: The good thing -- the good thing about that is that that means they're worried about Obama's success. That means Obama may be on the verge of stunning victory.

Otherwise, they wouldn't try to dig up all this mess to smear him with. People who are no longer a threat to the status quo don't get that kind of treatment. But Obama must be doing something right, because they're targeting him with a lot of -- I think the American people -- the American people are above that. I think they...

COLMES: He's distanced himself from some of the things his preacher has said and from -- specifically from Louis Farrakhan. Let me ask you about something we were talking about a little bit ago, which is the Confederate flag and whether or not it should fly. I asked Mike Huckabee earlier tonight if he thought this was a racist symbol or a confederate symbol. He wouldn't answer the question. Should a candidate for president answer that question?

LOWERY: Well, I'll let the candidate decide, because they're facing the voters. I'll be glad to answer, because I think the confederate flag ought to fly in a museum or in some archives, in some library, some place that honors and explains history.

COLMES: Right.

LOWERY: But in terms of flying on the capitol, where it represents all the people, I think the history of that flag, I would deny it, that honor and that privilege. Let's put it in the museum.

COLMES: And those who argue on the other side will say, well, the majority in South Carolina may want it to fly in the capitol. And what they did in South Carolina, they took it off the dome and put it on the ground so it's part of a larger display. The NAACP still objects to that. Is that appropriate?

LOWERY: I think what they did was ironic. They -- they tried to accommodate the objections. And I think the NAACP may not have been tactically wise in just demanding that they take it down from the -- from the steeple. They should have said take it away from the capitol completely.

So where they put it now is more obvious, last time I was there, it's more obvious than -- than it was, but I'm more concerned about jobs for -- you know, distributed on an equitable basis.

COLMES: Right.

LOWERY: I'm more concerned about closing the disparities between the have-nots and the haves in South Carolina. I'm more concerned about equal opportunity and developing business enterprises than I am where the flag is.

COLMES: All right, sir. Reverend, we thank you so much for coming on the program tonight. Good to see you once again.

LOWERY: Thank you. Good to see you.

COLMES: Thanks for your time.

We check in with Greta Van Susteren, Greta here telling us what's coming up right after "Hannity & Colmes".

Good evening, Greta.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST, "ON THE RECORD": There's news tonight out of North Carolina. It is possible they're getting close to finding the missing Marine. At least they've pinpointed where he might be in Mexico.

Plus, the Illinois state police have just issued a pres release in connection with the Stacy Peterson disappearance. We have that and much more.

Back to you, Alan.

COLMES: Thank you very much, Greta.

Coming up next, who will win in South Carolina? Senator McCain is in the lead. But Governor Mike Huckabee not far behind. Can he bridge the gap in the final hours? The fastest two segments in politics are next.


SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There's a lot we can do to fix Social Security, and I'm committed to doing it so that you and your generation will be able to rely on it. Thank you all very, very much.


COLMES: In the latest FOX News Dynamic poll out of South Carolina, Senator John McCain is in first place with 27 percent, Governor Mike Huckabee in second with 20 percent, and with just hours to go before the Palmetto State primary, can Huckabee bridge the gap?

Joining us now to talk about the results tonight are, from, Patricia Murphy; Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway; and from Rasmussen Reports, Scott Rasmussen.

Scott, what happens? Is it going to be McCain tomorrow? Can we even know now? Is it too little of a gap?

SCOTT RASMUSSEN, RASMUSSEN REPORTS: We polled South Carolina on it Wednesday night. Forty-one percent of the voters said they might change their mind. That includes 7 percent with no first choice. Ten percent said there's a good chance they'll change their mind. Another quarter of the voters...

COLMES: What does that tell you about the electorate or lack thereof of these candidates?

RASMUSSEN: I think what it tells me is that they're focusing on the race when it comes to their state. They're looking at what happened before, trying to evaluate the strategic vote. And, by the way, they like a couple of these candidates, and they might hate one of them.

COLMES: Kellyanne, can you make a prediction now, based on South Carolina?

KELLYANNE CONWAY, REPUBLICAN POLLSTER: John McCain -- I'm sorry, Alan. I think McCain has real decided advantages there. He has increased his vote among military households in the last week significantly. He's up to 33 percent, according to the FOX Dynamics poll, among military households.

But it almost doesn't matter, meaning people have almost expected the unexpected now in these races. And I think, for all the talk about how divided and fractured the Republican Party is, this is competition. This is democracy. I'm glad we have three victors of three states.

COLMES: Maybe four...

CONWAY: Maybe we'll have four. And why not?

COLMES: All right. Let me go to...

CONWAY: And Fred Thompson is now everybody's second choice, according to your poll.

COLMES: Patricia Murphy -- well, I think he's going to do -- I think he's going to win tomorrow. But Patricia, let me ask you about what's happening in Nevada. I'll be in Nevada tomorrow night for the caucus. And can you predict what's going to happen between Hillary and Obama tomorrow?

PATRICIA MURPHY, CITIZENJANEPOLITICS.COM: I don't think anybody who's predicting is going to get it right. That is totally up in the air.

But really, Nevada is so idiosyncratic, I don't think it's going to make that much of a difference who wins in terms of delegate count. It's not that big a deal. But why it is important for Democrats is that it's seen as a bellwether for what's going to happen in Southern California. Kind of roughly similar kind of patterns, demographic patterns.

COLMES: If there's any momentum.

Now let's talk about Edwards talking about Obama on the Democratic side.


COLMES: Apparently, Edwards has called out Barack Obama on this issue of ending divisive politics. Here's what John Edwards said today.


JOHN EDWARDS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Everyone pledged that this kind of divisive politics, that divides the Democratic Party and could divide America, would come to an end. Senator Obama made that pledge. I was sitting five feet from him when I heard him say it.

And now it turns out that, in the last 24 hours, there's a radio ad that's being run, a malicious radio ad attacking Senator Clinton. That is exactly that kind of divisive politics. It's being run right here in Las Vegas. I denounce it.


COLMES: By the way, that ad is not being run by the Obama campaign. It's by an outside group, just like the Huckabee flag ad, and Huckabee distanced himself from that. He said, "I don't support that."

RASMUSSEN: Outside groups are convenient.

COLMES: But the candidates say I have nothing to do with it.

RASMUSSEN: And by the way, the shot we just saw, John Edwards is trying to find a way to prove that he's still in this campaign and he's still relevant.

COLMES: He could be a king maker, couldn't he? He could be a queen maker, as the case may be.

RASMUSSEN: And he made it very clear it's not automatic that he is going to support Barack Obama.

COLMES: Patricia, conservatives love to see liberals go at it with each other, but you know, we none of us want divisive politics.

MURPHY: Well, nobody wants it unless they're going to win by using divisive politics.

And this is more than just a struggle between Obama and Clinton. This is a struggle for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. It's coming down between old guard African-Americans, younger guard, and the Latino vote. They're all jockeying to get to be the strongest position right now. Nobody wants to be on the other side of the halls of power.

HANNITY: All right. Let's show our audience this ad. This is the Obama supporters running this Spanish-language ad. It's a radio ad attacking Clinton for, quote, "not respecting our people." Let's run this ad.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (speaking Spanish)

GRAPHIC: Hillary Clinton supporters want to prevent people from voting in their workplace on Saturday. This is unforgivable. Hillary Clinton is shameless. Hillary Clinton should not allow her friends to attack our people's right to vote this Saturday. This is unforgivable; there's no respect.


HANNITY: All right, but the truth is, Kellyanne, is that the Clinton people, these are Clinton supporters, that worked very hard to see that they weren't able to caucus in the casinos because it would help, supposedly, Barack Obama's supporters, the culinary workers union, et cetera?

CONWAY: I wondered what happened to the Taco Bell dog, actually. Now I know. He's doing different ads.

This is really amazing to me that Barack Obama has gotten so far under the skin of the Clintons that people are willing to continue to call them out.

I'm going to be curious to see what Bill Clinton does about this ad. Because he's the one. He usually has the bulging veins now and the anger. This is legitimate. I mean, Hillary Clinton, she wants to play in the big- boy games. This is legitimate.

HANNITY: Speaking of the Clintons -- and Bill Clinton's temper was even chronicled in the New York Times today -- I want to go back to "The Tyra Banks Show" and Hillary's appearance, talking about Bill and that difficult time.


CLINTON: I never doubted Bill's love for me, ever, and I never doubted my faith and my commitment to our daughter and our extended family.

You're mad; you're really upset; you're disappointed. All of that goes through your mind. But I have found, you really shouldn't make decisions in the heat of those moments.


HANNITY: All the soft interviews, and they all want to show the likeability side, you know, and she goes on the easy interviews. Is this going to be effective, considering her unfavorables are still at 50 percent?

RASMUSSEN: It's going to be effective at some level. She is trying to appeal to a women demographic to get them to turn out and vote in a Democratic primary.

HANNITY: Will that help?

RASMUSSEN: That will help.

CONWAY: Because it's like the crying, Sean. But every time she has to get the woman's vote, she portrays herself as weak and weepy. So what does that tell you about the next commander in chief?

HANNITY: It's a good point. We'll pick it up right there when we come back. And also who will win in the Nevada caucuses. Our panel reacts to the latest poll numbers as the fastest two segments in politics continue, straight ahead.


HANNITY: Two new Nevada polls out today have Mitt Romney leading on the Republican side, with 34 percent of the vote, and on the Democratic side Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is in the lead with 41 percent.

We continue now with our panel. All right. Let me ask you Kellyanne, so it appears Romney is going to get another victory in Nevada, and that it looks -- it's either McCain or Huckabee in South Carolina. That's pretty good momentum for Mitt Romney again.

CONWAY: Excellent. I was not one of those people who ran around saying, "If he doesn't win Michigan, he has to get off the stage." Why? He's come in second twice. He has won Wyoming. It's ridiculous.

HANNITY: More votes, more delegates.

CONWAY: He can write a $50 million check any time he wants. That's just people who want him out of the race, because they're dying to know who the nominee is going to be. I don't want to know who the nominee is going to be too soon. I love a good competition.

HANNITY: So it looks like, what, Clinton in Nevada, and in South Carolina it's going to be Obama?

RASMUSSEN: Obama. That's right. And by the way, this whole talk of momentum is really off-base this year. Momentum used to come because a candidate would win and nobody had ever heard of them before and you learn about them. Everybody knows these candidates before they came into these states. A win in South Carolina is a win in South Carolina right now.

HANNITY: All right. We've got -- pretty much, if you look at all the polls, you have a four-way tie going on in the state of Florida. That is January 29, obviously leading into the all-important February 5 Super Tuesday states, and Rudy Giuliani has bet a lot on the state of Florida. And he's come out with this new ad.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When crime thrived, he fought it. When government broke, he fixed it. And when the world wavered, and history hesitated, he never did. Rudy Giuliani, leadership when it matters most.


HANNITY: Patricia, he's basically down in the state of Florida running for governor down there. This whole race, if he wins Florida, the whole thing changes on a dime, doesn't it?

MURPHY: It absolutely changes on a dime. And that ad, I think, is a pretty good ad for Rudy Giuliani. He needs to take 9/11 and kind of put it as an exclamation point on the sentence. It's kind of been the whole sentence so far.


MURPHY: It's a good time for him to start transitioning into new issues. And I think that's actually a very strong ad.

HANNITY: And then Scott and Kellyanne, if he wins there, then I think it's a pretty good bet he'll get some momentum in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, winner take all stats. In terms of the delegate count that's going to be pretty important, pretty big for him. So really, it all comes down to Florida right now for him.

How well does he have to do to get momentum into February 5?

RASMUSSEN: He has to win in Florida.

HANNITY: What about second place, a close second?

RASMUSSEN: Forget the kind of momentum you're talking about. He has to win.

HANNITY: But a close second?


CONWAY: A close second is fine, but look, there are 25 states on Super Tuesday. That's why we say Super Duper Tuesday.

COLMES: So we've got to move on. Let's -- as we call it the fastest couple of segments, we've got to live up to that moniker, right? All right. So it turns out Barack Obama praises the Republicans and Ronald Reagan, in particular...

RASMUSSEN: And you appreciate that, right?

COLMES: Well, and not everybody in the Democratic Party appreciated that. In fact, here's what Hillary Clinton had to say about it.


CLINTON: My leading opponent the other day said that he thought the Republicans had better ideas than Democrats the last ten to 15 years. That's not the way I remember the last ten to 15 years.

I don't think it's a better idea to privatize Social Security. I don't think it's a better idea to try to eliminate the minimum wage. I don't think it's a better idea to undercut health benefits.


COLMES: Patricia, who's got the better argument here, Barack Obama for saying Republicans have great ideas; now they don't. Democrats have better ideas now; before they didn't? Or Hillary Clinton saying, "What are you talking about"?

MURPHY: Well, Barack Obama didn't stay the Republicans have great ideas.

COLMES: Well, it's good ideas.

MURPHY: He just said they had ideas. And they had a lot of ideas in the '90's, and you can debate how good they were. But they had lots of ideas. I mean, he's right on that.

Hillary Clinton just sounds like a woman who's got a closed caucus coming up. It's all Democrats. She's just trying to rally the base right now.

CONWAY: What Barack Obama was saying, though, Alan, is that Ronald Reagan at that time in 1980, and this was Barack Obama's quote, that he brought joy back to the Republican Party.

COLMES: And he could do the same.

CONWAY: He could do the same thing.

COLMES: Very quickly, Bloomberg reporting -- Bloomberg News reporting that Republicans are beating each other up. Here's what they say: "Among Republicans the shenanigans this year include automated telephone pseudo- surveys trashing former Senator Fred Thompson's stance on abortion; mailings claiming Arizona Senator McCain turned his back on fellow prisoners of war; a phony Christmas card from former Governor Mitt Romney, extolling polygamy."

This is really dirty. This makes the Democrats look like they're singing "Kumbaya" all the time.

RASMUSSEN: I don't know what. What it really says is that this is the reason that most people get turned off on politics.

And the reason that sometimes candidates lose consultants.

CONWAY: Losing consultants. Candidates sometimes lose consultants. On the win, ka-ching (ph) for those stupid consultants who can't come up with a creative idea.

COLMES: And consultants, of course (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

Unfortunately, we're just out of time, I think, for this segment. Right? That's it?

Thank you both very much. I wish we had more time. But Sean will give you, coming up, a sneak peek of all of the new -- the all-new "Hannity's America," coming up this Sunday. Sylvester Stallone will be stopping by. And see what else will be happening on "Hannity's America," when we get back in just a moment.

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