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SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: And thanks, Brit. This is a special edition of "Hannity & Colmes." Welcome. We're glad you're with us. I'm Sean Hannity.

Tonight, FOX News is projecting that Senator John McCain is the winner of the Florida GOP primary. It was a very tight race between Senator McCain and the second place finisher, Governor Mitt Romney. And despite former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani's all-or-nothing efforts in Florida, he finished in third place. Reports are already surfacing that he will drop out of the race. He may endorse Senator John McCain sometime this week in California.

Joining us now is, well, former Clinton adviser Dick Morris. And by the way -- well, I'm sorry. Maybe -- maybe it's not Dick Morris. But anyway...

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Here he is!

HANNITY: ... here's Dick. He's about to step on the stage with us, as we say goodbye to Brit and we say hello to Dick Morris, who's here in our New York studio. And by the way, to get up to date with the presidential race and get Dick's columns and newsletters, it's all for free. You just log onto Dickmorris.com.

Your general overview of tonight, what it means for the Republicans?

DICK MORRIS, FORMER CLINTON ADVISER: Well, the most important thing that happened tonight has nothing to do with Republicans. It has to do with the Democrats, has to do with Hillary Clinton. Of the voters who decided in the last three days, they broke 35 percent for Obama, 35 percent for Hillary.

HANNITY: Right.

MORRIS: Of the ones who decided in the last month, they broke 57 percent for Hillary, 32 percent for Obama.

HANNITY: But this...

MORRIS: That's the best tracking poll you're ever going to have.

HANNITY: It's amazing the number of people, knowing that the delegates are not going to -- the delegates have been shut out of Florida because they moved up their primary date, it's pretty significant the number of people that voted, but what you're saying here is the trend towards Obama is now obvious and real.

MORRIS: This is the best tracking poll you're ever going to have.

HANNITY: Yes.

MORRIS: And indicates that unless the Clintons turn this around -- they lost 30 points over the last couple of weeks.

HANNITY: All right, let me move to the Republican race, which is...

MORRIS: In fact, probably the last three days.

HANNITY: We're going to get back to that here because the more prominent race that we've been watching all night here tonight is in the Republican Party.

MORRIS: Sure.

HANNITY: It was very clear, 43 percent, exit poll data that came out, is that the endorsement that the governor of the state of Florida...

MORRIS: Right.

HANNITY: ... had a very important impact on the voters' minds.

MORRIS: Right.

HANNITY: Twenty percent said a very important impact.

MORRIS: Yes.

HANNITY: So you have Senator Martinez, "Stormin' Norman"...

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HANNITY: ... Charlie Crist...

MORRIS: ... in Florida.

HANNITY: Yes.

MORRIS: Everybody adores him there. He's very strong. This race wasn't that close. McCain won by 5. And I think that -- and that was despite a two or three to one financial edge for Romney, certainly, in the last couple of days. What you now have is McCain's momentum against Romney's money, and my bet in this race is on McCain.

HANNITY: Is it also the establishment now seems to be lining up behind Senator McCain, when we saw Governor Crist and we saw Senator Martinez...

MORRIS: Right.

HANNITY: ... who's going to join us here in a few minutes, "Stormin' Norman," the liberal newspaper, GOP establishment -- that clearly happened here, and it had a profound impact, obviously, according to the exit polls.

MORRIS: I mean, these guys have all got to run for office under the nominee, and I think they realize that McCain can reach out to Hispanics and can get that -- if Obama wins -- if Clinton wins the Democratic nomination...

HANNITY: Right.

MORRIS: ... you're going to of millions of people that hate her that are liberal Democrats and independents, and McCain can get those votes, Romney can't.

HANNITY: Romney was very gracious at the beginning of his speech, but then very forceful towards the end. And one of the lines he used that, You won't have change in Washington by sending the same people back to Washington, just sitting in different chairs.

MORRIS: Yes, well...

HANNITY: So he's reinforcing that message even as we now push it towards Super Tuesday.

MORRIS: He is. But you know, McCain has -- in my judgment, McCain and Lieberman are the two best members of the Senate. Another way to phrase that is they're the only two good members of the Senate. And they both...

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COLMES: They may be working together in an administration very soon, Dick. Let me ask you, though...

MORRIS: And they really -- whenever you have an issue on earmarks or ethics or torture or the Ethics Committee or any of that stuff, sometimes he's misguided, but McCain is always in the forefront.

COLMES: I think McCain has it right on the Geneva Convention. He has it right on torture. But let me ask you about -- you talked about an interesting tracking poll in terms of which way things are moving on the Democratic side.

MORRIS: Very interesting.

COLMES: But on the Republican side, didn't we also find that the early voters were voting for Romney, but more of those who voted today, the live voters, were voting McCain...

MORRIS: Sure.

COLMES: ... so we see a movement in that direction on the Republican side.

MORRIS: When I first thought about this primary earlier today, before the returns came in, I thought it was going to be very close between McCain and Romney. That's what the exit polls showed, 1 or 2-point win for McCain. And I thought, after I saw that, that it wouldn't make any difference, that essentially, it was just the two of them and now they'd just go on and fight again. And the point was, you eliminated Huckabee and Giuliani...

COLMES: Right.

MORRIS: ... from contention. But now I think that it's a different kind of message. I think McCain right now is the putative frontrunner, and there hasn't been a frontrunner since Rudy lost.

COLMES: Right. Is there momentum for both candidates coming out of Florida, even though the delegates don't count for the Democrats, as we know, because they got in too early, they didn't obey the DNC rules? It does count for -- half the delegates count for the Republicans, but in either case, is there momentum for both Hillary Clinton and McCain because of what happened today?

MORRIS: No, no. There's momentum for Obama. The stat that I just gave you, which I think the news analysis people will focus on, really shows that Obama is closing this race up.

HANNITY: All right, Dick, stay right there. Joining us now is Florida Senator Mel Martinez, who endorsed Senator John McCain in this race. Senator, it's always good to see you. Welcome back to the program.

SEN. MEL MARTINEZ (R), FLORIDA: Nice to be with you, Sean. A very exciting night here in Florida.

HANNITY: Oh, well, your man won. Congratulations to you. Congratulations to Senator McCain. One of the things the exit polls showed tonight, Senator, is that your endorsement, and more specifically, Governor Crist's endorsement played a very big role in helping Senator McCain in the final hours of this campaign. Clearly, 43 percent of people said it had a significant impact on their decision. Why do you think the governor broke late, as he did?

MARTINEZ: Well, look, the governor and I stayed in close contact. We're good personal friends. We've campaigned for one another in the past. And I made a decision on Friday, and he followed suit on Saturday. I think that we each had an impact in different parts of the state. I think the combined effect was very positive for John McCain. But at the end of the day, this is his victory. This is his night. A lot of people worked on this a lot longer than Governor Crist and I did. And I think, by the way, that it gives him a tremendous amount of momentum going forward.

HANNITY: Senator, let's talk about the final moments of the campaign. There was a lot of talk about dirty tricks that were going on in the final hours. More specifically, it started on Saturday, and that was Senator McCain accusing Governor Romney of supporting timetables for withdrawal of the troops in Iraq. In the very same interview, Governor Romney had said that he would not support that, that he would support or veto any bill that Congress had on that. Where did you stand on that position, in that controversy?

MARTINEZ: Well, no, let me just say that in the closing days of campaigns, lots of stuff gets thrown around. It goes in all directions. I personally am not going to get involved in that. I'm going to leave that for the candidates to sort that out. But I've got to tell you, campaigns have a way of bringing these things out. At the end of the day, I think John McCain is an honorable man. He is a reliable conservative who will make us, I believe, the best commander-in-chief. And I think, Sean, that we all can see he is the candidate who can win a state like Florida. That means he can win in November.

HANNITY: Let me ask you about this -- Governor Romney said tonight -- and I was just asking Dick Morris about this moments ago. He said, you know, We can't change Washington by sending the same people back to Washington but putting them and having them sit in different chairs. Leading into the Florida primary, there was questions about how Senator McCain could sort of bridge a gap that exists between himself and the conservative community over specific positions he's taken over the years. Do you think and expect and anticipate there will be an outreach by Senator McCain to conservatives who have opposed his position on amnesty and not supporting the tax cuts, McCain/Feingold?

MARTINEZ: Look, first of all, let me tell you John McCain is a change agent in the Senate of the United States. That has been his career. That is his motto. That's what he does. So I think John McCain is an agent of change, even though he's been in Washington. He knows how Washington works, and I think he's the kind of leader that can make it work.

I don't have any doubt that John McCain is going to be reaching out to the Republican conservatives. He did so tonight in hearkening back to the memory of Ronald Reagan, who he says was the foot soldier that he became when he first started to think about politics even from the Hanoi Hilton.

The bottom line is that I believe John McCain is a true conservative. Look, we're going to have issues with any one of our candidates. The fact is that I may differ with Governor Romney on one or two things here or there. The fact is that we may differ with McCain on something here or there. At the end of the day, he is the guy who is going to be making...

COLMES: Hey...

MARTINEZ: ... decisions on who goes to the Supreme Court, and I think we can trust him.

COLMES: Senator, it's Alan Colmes. Thank you for being with us tonight. I'm just curious. You said you only in the last few days decided to go with McCain. What was the process like for you to make that decision? And how close were you to making another choice?

MARTINEZ: Well, let me say that -- let me be clear about that. I made a choice to support John McCain a long time ago. And I early voted, by the way. I was one of these people that voted the first day of early voting, and I voted John McCain. The decision that I struggled with was whether or not I would make it public or not, whether I would make a public endorsement, which I ultimately did, and I'm delighted that I did. And frankly, I think it helped John McCain. And I'm delighted that Governor Crist also did that. You know, I think the combination of both of us being out for John McCain maybe made a difference for him.

COLMES: You know, he seems...

MARTINEZ: He's (INAUDIBLE) He's a great American. He'll make a great president.

COLMES: It seems like -- and Sean was asking you about this -- so many conservatives seem to have trouble with him because of the things Sean enumerated, and they don't like the fact that he worked with Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold and was in the gang of 14. So how does he address those issues? Does he have to address those issues in the course of this campaign?

MARTINEZ: Well, first of all, let me say that John McCain got a lot of conservative voters to vote for him today. When you look of the demographics of where he won, he won in places that are very conservative. He won the elderly vote, which is very conservative. He won the Cuban- American vote, which is very conservative.

So at the end of the day, I believe that he will reach out. That is his way. But at the end of the day, I think today, John McCain proved that he can win in a close primary, in a primary where only Republicans vote for Republicans. He won in a state that is very diverse, and he won among conservative parts of the state. So I think that -- you know, he did very well in the panhandle. He did very well in Orange County. I mean, there's no place you can look where John McCain got wiped out tonight.

COLMES: You know, Florida is a very important state for each party. You got to wonder, looking toward the convention, does John McCain look toward perhaps a Florida senator as a running mate?

MARTINEZ: Well, no, because you know what? A little secret between us. I wasn't born in the United States. I'm one of those immigrants that came to America legally and learned the language and has done -- been able to live the American dream. But not having been born in America, I won't be a candidate for vice president.

HANNITY: Which brings up...

MARTINEZ: But I'll do all I can make to ensure a Democrat -- a Republican wins in November.

COLMES: All right, Senator, we thank you very much for being with us tonight. Appreciate your time on this very important evening. It's good to see you on "Hannity & Colmes."

Mitt Romney did not get the win he was hoping for, but the fight for the nomination is far from over. We're going to hear from his campaign. And we'll hear from Hillary Clinton, as well. The New York senator also had a victory of her own tonight in Florida. All that still to come on this special edition of "Hannity & Colmes."

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COLMES: All right, and this is just-- (FOX SOUND DROP-OUT) --John McCain for the nomination, for the Republican nomination for the president of the United States. And we'll have more on that as we get -- (FOX SOUND DROP-OUT) -- your reaction to tonight's results? Are you surprised?

REP. CONNIE MACK (R), FLORIDA: Well, first of all, it's good to be with you, Alan and Sean. And you know, this was a hard-fought campaign, and I'm proud of what Governor Romney has done. He's worked hard. He spoke to the voters. You know, I had people early on tell me, What are you doing? You're supporting a guy that nobody knows of. And now everybody knows him. I mean, he's worked hard. He's conveyed a positive message about the issues of the economy, immigration, and the change in Washington, so I'm very proud of what Governor Romney's done, and we're going to continue this fight across the country. On February 5, we're going to be competitive, and this is what campaigns are all about.

COLMES: But is this, though, not what you expected? And does this make it a little bit -- a little bit more pressure on the Romney camp, based on what happened in Florida tonight?

MACK: Well, of course we wanted to win. I mean, when you're in a campaign, you work hard so you can win. And you know, I'm sure that people out there are going to talk about McCain's got the momentum, but it still is going to come down to the issues. And people, I believe, Republicans across the country, believe they want someone who believes in the economy, understands the economy, that's going to support tax cuts, that's going to stop illegal immigration. And I think -- again, I think Mitt Romney has those issues and understands them. And we will compare those back and forth between the two candidates.

COLMES: It's interesting. In Florida among veterans, McCain got the vote, among Hispanics, McCain got the vote, even on the economy, something that Mitt Romney was telegraphing as his strong suit, having been a businessperson. It seems like they favored McCain. What do you make of that?

MACK: Well, I don't know that that's accurate. I think people who were focused on the economy, who understand that you need a strong economy to be able to fund the war on terror and make sure that our country is secure -- I believe they sided with Governor Romney. I know that in southwest Florida, the people of southwest Florida supported Governor Romney and believe in the issues that he's been talking about.

COLMES: Who do you think -- you know, with Rudy, you know, pulling out tomorrow -- we just got word on that, that he will be supporting John McCain. Is that a surprise to you? And how hurtful and how damaging is that to the Romney campaign?

MACK: Well, you know, I think we've heard -- we've heard rumors of this, and certainly, earlier tonight, we've been hearing the rumors. So you know, in campaigns, you should never be surprised. Things happen. And again, I think so you put the ideas up. Do you believe in -- do you understand the economy? Do you believe in tax cuts? Do you believe in stopping illegal immigration? If you do, you're going to support Mitt Romney. And I think he's got the experience in government, and more importantly, he's got the experience in business and knows what it means to grow the economy and create jobs. And he's someone that I think we need in Washington.

COLMES: Congressman, we thank you very much for being with us tonight. Appreciate your being on this special late edition of "Hannity & Colmes" this evening.

MARTINEZ: Thank you.

HANNITY: Congressman, good to see you, my friend.

COLMES: And we now go to Chris Wallace. He is standing by with another winner from Florida tonight, Senator Hillary Clinton -- Chris.

CHRIS WALLACE, HOST, "FOX NEWS SUNDAY": Alan, thanks so much. And let's welcome Senator Clinton, who won a big victory tonight in Florida. And Senator, it's always a pleasure to welcome you to FOX News.

SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D-NY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you, Chris. It's good to talk to you.

WALLACE: I wanted to ask you about the Obama campaign, which put out a statement this evening that said that they tied you in Florida tonight, zero delegates for Clinton, zero delegates for Obama.

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WALLACE: The point seems to be that whatever happened here tonight was basically a beauty contest.

CLINTON: Well, I don't think the people of Florida believe that. They turned out in record numbers because they want their voices to be heard. I have said that if I'm the nominee, I will ask all of my delegates and all Democrats to support seating the Florida delegates and the Michigan delegates.

You know, Chris, for any of us, Florida and Michigan are key states in our effort to put together the votes we need to win the presidency in November 2008, and I am committed to making sure that the voices of Floridians are heard. They certainly were heard loudly and clearly tonight. And this is a great victory, and we're going to go on from here to the rest of the Super Tuesday states.

WALLACE: Senator, let's talk about, as we look forward toward Super Tuesday, the track of the race tonight. The exit polls indicate that among people who made up their minds in the last month that you won by an overwhelming margin, 57 percent to 32 percent. But among those who make up their minds in the last week, it was a dead, flat tie, 35 percent, 35 percent between you and Obama. Doesn't that indicate that he is closing the gap with you here and perhaps in other big states around the country?

CLINTON: Well, I don't know about that. I really don't pay a lot of attention to anything but the final numbers, and the final numbers were overwhelming. But what's really at stake here is who could be the best president for our country and who can be the best nominee for our party. And I think voters of Florida joined voters of New Hampshire, Nevada and Michigan in saying very clearly that I'm that person.

We're going to work hard in the next week to cover as much ground as we possibly can, to make our case in the states that will be voting on Tuesday. But ultimately, Chris, this is about the American people. It's about, you know, their hopes, their dreams, what they believe should be done.

And I've been very specific in this campaign about what I would do as president because I want to be held accountable. I want you and the press, I want the voters to say, Here's what she said she would do on the economy and on health care, education and energy because we need to build a strong base of support for the tough decisions that the next president is going to face.

You know, whoever is sworn in On January 20, 2009, is going to walk into that Oval Office, and there's going to be a stack of problems waiting, and a lot of ones we can't even predict right now. And I think that if people ask themselves who would be the best president, I'm going to do just fine.

WALLACE: I want to ask you about the endorsement by Senator Ted Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy yesterday of Senator Obama. One thing is that Kennedy said that Obama was ready to serve as president from day one. Perhaps even more significantly, he said this campaign is a choice between the old politics of polarization and the new politics, and basically laid the mantle, the torch of new -- passing the torch to a new generation, on Barack Obama. On some level -- I know you've all had endorsements, but on some level, does that sting?

CLINTON: No. You know, Chris, we all have had endorsements. I was endorsed tonight by Senator Bill Nelson here in Florida. Earlier in the day, I was endorsed by Congresswoman Maxine Waters of California. And I'm very proud of my endorsements, as I'm sure other candidates are of theirs.

But ultimately, this is not about our endorsements. It's about the American people. It's about what they want in the next president. And my overwhelming sense from having traveled now more than a year around our country, having represented New York, having been privileged to serve in the White House, is that the American people want a problem solver. They want somebody who, when the cameras are turned off and the speeches are over, is going to get up every day, bring the country together, run the government, manage the economy, and really help them get the tools they need to fulfill their own potential.

And I think the longer this race goes on and the more people really look at our records, what we've done, what our positions are, I think that more and more people are waking up and saying, you know what? This is a choice that is very important for me, for my family, for my future. And I feel very comfortable when that's the way it's posed.

WALLACE: Finally, Senator Clinton, there was an incident last night at the State of the Union address that's getting a little bit of attention. When you came into the hall -- we put the picture up -- you reached out. Senator Kennedy and Senator Obama were standing side by side. Senator Kennedy shook your hand. Senator Obama says that he was looking away to talk to somebody else. Some people are saying that he snubbed you. Do you feel that you were snubbed last night?

CLINTON: Well, Chris, I reached out my hand in friendship and unity, and my hand is still reaching out and I look forward to shaking his hand when I see him at the debate in California. But what's important here is that, you know, any differences between us as Democrats pale in comparison to the differences between us and the Republicans. And I think we'll have a unified Democratic Party. We will come together not only as a party but as a country in this election year. And I am confident that we're going to present a very strong case to the American people as to why Democrats should once again be in the White House.

CLINTON: Senator Clinton, we want to congratulate you again on your victory tonight in Florida. And thank you for talking to us.

CLINTON: My pleasure. Thanks, Chris.

WALLACE: Sean, back to you.

HANNITY: All right, Chris Wallace, thanks very much.

And joining us now, we continue now with Florida Congressman Connie Mack, who has endorsed Governor Mitt Romney. Welcome back, Congressman. Appreciate you staying with us here.

The governor said two things tonight -- well, he actually went in three different directions. First, he congratulated Senator McCain on his victory tonight. But he also said that America needs someone in the White House that has had a real job in a real economy. He went through this issue that, you know, not changing -- people change -- we can't have change with people moving their chairs around. And then he went through a litany how Washington has failed -- failed on illegal immigration, failed on taxes, energy independence, ethical standards, Social Security, pork barrel spending and balancing budgets.

Do you agree with the assessment of the governor? Is Washington broken? And is it failing the American people?

MACK: I think he's dead on. You know, we have tried or talked about doing so many things, and they just haven't gotten done. And I think the American people, Republicans, independents, Democrats, they want us to get something done, and we need a leader who's going to come into Washington and make those things happen.

And I think Governor Romney has the best ability to do that because he's done it in the real world. I mean, this is a guy that turned around the Olympics. He's been very successful in business. I know you know all the stories. But it's important, I think -- - this is a fight within the Republican Party to find those principles again that we believe in, and I think the ideas of less government, less taxes, less spending and more freedom are the bedrock of this party, and that's why I support Mitt Romney.

HANNITY: Let me ask you -- exit polls, Congressman, show that Governor Crist's endorsement was huge in terms of influencing the voters in the state of Florida. Is the governor that popular? Do you think that's what pushed it over the top? Would it have been a closer night, or Mitt Romney, in your estimation, have won without that endorsement?

MACK: Well, first of all, Charlie Crist is my friend. He is a great governor. He's doing great things for the state of Florida. I have the utmost respect for Charlie. And certainly, I do think that his endorsement had an impact. But again, we move forward and we go to those Super Tuesday states, once again, we're going to put out the differences between Governor Romney and Senator McCain. And I think they're pretty extensive and there's a real clash of ideas there.

HANNITY: We heard earlier tonight, and we've been reporting here on the FOX News Channel that former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani will, in fact, be endorsing Senator McCain, we expect probably sometime tomorrow. Mike Huckabee, on this very channel tonight, expressed that he is going to stay in this through the ninth inning. Do you think under that scenario, believing that Mike Huckabee would draw more conservative voters, that Rudy Giuliani would draw more independent voters, if Rudy Giuliani bails out, does that help Senator McCain? Does Mike Huckabee staying in, in your view, as we head to Super Tuesday -- does that hurt Governor Romney?

MACK: You know, I think all of us have been wrong all the way through. I mean...

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HANNITY: I've been right on...

COLMES: When? When was this?

(LAUGHTER)

COLMES: When was this?

HANNITY: I'm teasing. Go ahead.

MACK: Yes. Yes. No. So you know, who knows what's going to happen. Shawn, you know that as this campaign goes on, it's a campaign of ideas. And you know, Governor Romney has been very specific about his experience and what he -- that he understands the economy, his position on amnesty and illegal immigration. That is going to continue. That is going to continue across the country. And at the end of the day, endorsements are important. I wish you'd have talked a little bit more about my endorsement of Romney, but you know, hey, there's endorsements everywhere. And I think this is coming down to the ideas between the two candidates, and the people of this country are going to be able to make a decision.

HANNITY: As we look towards the states that we will be talking about one week from tonight -- New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, California, Georgia, some of the Southern states, Alabama, Tennessee and others, where do you Governor Romney's biggest strength is?

MACK: Well, I think he's going to compete for every state. You know, this is a man that you've seen what he's done. He's been competitive in every state that there's been a primary in so far. Every time that an election, a primary election comes up, it's someone and Mitt Romney, someone and Mitt Romney. He's won three states. You know, so this is going to continue to be a campaign across the entire country.

HANNITY: Do you think that Senator McCain has a problem with conservative voters?

MACK: Obviously, you know, I think that there are some questions about the tax issue, the economy issue, the amnesty issue that he's going to have to address. I know he's tried to do that, and some people aren't satisfied. He is going to have to continue to try to do that. And I think Mitt Romney's been right on with those issues.

HANNITY: All right, Congressman. We always appreciate seeing you. Thank you very much. We love it down there in Florida. Big night there tonight. Thank you for being with us.

And coming up: Senator McCain was the big winner in the state of Florida, and it looks like it's the end of the road for Rudy Giuliani. Our political panel weighs in next on the new GOP presidential landscape straight ahead.

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HANNITY: And welcome back to this special edition of "Hannity & Colmes." Joining us are now Fox News contributors Michael Steele and Kirsten Powers. Guys, welcome back to the program.

Michael, let me start with you. We are going to check in with Carl Cameron in mere moments here about these reports that Mayor Giuliani will be dropping out of the race and his potential endorsement of Senator John McCain.

There has been a lot of talk about the Giuliani strategy. He was either going to be declared a genius or that this was a big mistake. What would it mean for Senator McCain, that endorsement?

MICHAEL STEELE, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: It's huge. It's huge, and I think what you are looking at is the party kind of coalescing a little bit more.

McCain did something very interesting and important tonight. He was able to win among conservatives, he was able to win among the base. And I think with Giuliani making the next move, if you will, it is going to be very, very important in solidifying that relationship that he is going to have to continue to build on--

HANNITY: Let me go over these exit poll numbers, because it is important. Those that declare themselves very conservative he lost two to one to Governor Romney. Those that were somewhat conservative it was dead even. Where he really won was with those declaring themselves either more independent or more moderate/liberal in the Republican Party.

STEELE: Yes, but look at the numbers. When you put it altogether, is a win. Sean, you are going to have--the very strong conservatives in the party are going to embrace McCain. I think that is well established. They will be hard to go after.

But among conservative to moderate conservative Republicans, he is doing some good.

HANNITY: There is no doubt in terms of those this was his best showing heretofore.

One of the things that is happening, and we were discussing this, with Florida, especially with Governor Crist endorsement, Senator Martinez, Stormin' Norman, some influential congressman, more specifically, in the Cuban American community, which really helped Senator McCain, it seemed to play a very big role in his victory here.

Is he getting the establishment out to rally around him, and how would Governor Romney combat that?

STEELE: I think you are right. I think he is beginning to get some more of the establishment to come to his side of the coin.

Remember, this man was left for dead three months ago, and he has really moved forward. So it is going to be tough for Romney. He is going to have to make that overture to the establishment and the leadership of the party to sort of split their choice, if you will.

HANNITY: All right. It is going to be interesting night a week from now.

Hang on there, Michael, we want to turn to Kirsten Powers here. There are charges--I know that Hillary came out and acted like this was a big deal. John Kerry warned her today and warned the media because the Clinton campaign was going to try to push this as if it was a big primary win.

This was not a contested state and was not supposed to be a contested state, and there were charges that the Clinton campaign violated the agreement that was made in terms of campaigning there with the Clinton's having unions and others going out there as surrogates for her to create a sort of win even though there are no delegates at stake for the Democrats.

KIRSTEN POWERS, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I do not know how much actual campaigning they were doing.

HANNITY: Among their surrogates--

POWERS: They weren't allowed to campaign. They were allowed to campaign as soon as South Carolina was over, basically. That was the deal.

It doesn't matter. There are no delegates that will be seated. It's just like with Michigan. And what they are trying to do--this is a PR move. They are going out and they're treating it as a big win, when, in fact, the Clinton campaign has said all along that what matter is delegates.

HANNITY: Stay right there; we're going to get back to Kirsten in just a second here.

He staked this race on the possibility of winning the state Florida, but former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani finished a disappointing third tonight. So we can now confirm that Mayor Giuliani will officially drop out of the race and, in fact, endorse tonight's big winner out of Florida, and that is Senator John McCain.

And with the very latest standing by for us with this breaking news-- we call him "Campaign" Carl Cameron. Carl, a big development in this story. Tell us the latest.

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Sure. The McCain camp isn't officially confirming or denying anything. They want to leave Rudy Giuliani to make his own statements on behalf of himself and Senator McCain.

But it is now clear that Rudy Giuliani will withdraw from the race tomorrow. He is headed to California, where he intended to participate in a debate tomorrow night. That is now not likely to happen.

John McCain is also headed to California, will arrive there a couple of hours after Giuliani. And it looks as though the aides are trying now to coordinate a way in which they can get together and give Rudy Giuliani a dignified exit from the race with a very, very much coveted endorsement for John McCain.

With Super Tuesday, 22 plus state's voting a week from now, Giuliani could be a huge boost across the country for Senator McCain. He could campaign in California, he could help out in New York and the northeastern states where Giuliani at one point led the polls. And it becomes a tremendous asset and yet another boost.

And it may, as well, help John McCain solidify support with fiscal conservatives, where Rudy Giuliani was putting a tremendous amount of emphasis recently.

So tomorrow at some point--they haven't quite worked out the logistics yet because it does take place in California and they have a lot of people to move there. But Rudy Giuliani and John McCain will stand together, and Senator McCain will win his endorsement.

HANNITY: Carl, if I can ask you to put on your analytical hat here for just a second here. It was not that long ago when we were looking at poll numbers in the state of Florida where Rudy Giuliani was staking a big part of this campaign that he was winning by a significant margin.

Why the precipitous decline, not only nationally, but, more specifically, in Florida?

CAMERON: There's a couple things that you can look at.

First, there were a period of time in the middle of December when Mayor Giuliani got hit with a whole bunch of embarrassing stories: references to Bernie Kerik and the ongoing Justice Department investigation of him, et cetera. That was a bit of a dent in his armor.

And then Mike Huckabee won the Iowa caucuses. And even though Rudy Giuliani had moved down to Florida and long since begun this 50-day campaign blitz here, he dropped out of the national news.

I can't tell you how many times we went to Giuliani events in Florida in the last ten days and his own supporters would walk out and halls and say I wish I just wish I could have seen him in the news a little bit more, because we were watching what was going on in Iowa and then New Hampshire, and then Michigan and South Carolina, and he was not in that coverage.

And, ultimately, that sort of ground down what was his best efforts down here to build a ground game. You can't put together a winning strategy and not compete in states and, ultimately, never even come in better than third place in six consecutive contests before your big firewall. It simply didn't work out.

And the backbiting began in the Giuliani campaign several days ago when insiders began to suggest it was a mistake for him not to have competed as hard as he did in New Hampshire, that he should have spend more time in the early states just to keep himself in the news a little bit more, as well as the raising of funds.

Giuliani was one of the Republicans who said that $100 million was not out of the question to raise, and he did not get quite near there. So all of those things to do to the problem.

And, finally, Sean, the lack of the endorsement from Florida Governor Charlie Crist. Rudy Giuliani thought he had that nailed down in October. Charlie Crist, the governor, then said let's wait a few days, a few weeks, perhaps, after the first votes cast. And, ultimately, he endorsed McCain. That was a big, big blow to Giuliani.

COLMES: Carl, thank you very much for you reporting tonight; "Campaign" Carl always on the campaign trail.

Thanks so much for being with us on this special edition of Hannity and Colmes. We continue with Michael Steel and Kirsten Powers.

Kirsten, Sean raised the issue of a little cheating going on in the Florida primary. There was supposed to be no campaigning in Florida. They put that on the Clinton campaign. Obama came under fire for taking an ad out on a cable news channel that was seen in Florida, and that he was not supposed to do that as part of the agreement to not to campaign in Florida.

POWERS: It was a national ad, and I think there was an understanding that when you buy a national ad sometimes that can happen.

COLMES: Right, but that was done with the idea that knowing you would be seen in Florida.

POWERS: Yes. Well, I'm not sure. What they actually found was that they were not able to do the buy without that happening. And I really don't think either of these charges are really that serious.

COLMES: You don't think this was calculated? That wouldn't happen in a political campaign?

POWERS: No. What I am saying is that I do not think either of these charges really matter from either side. I do not think there is anything seriously going on that's a problem--

COLMES: So what does this mean for Hillary Clinton? There are no delegates because Florida, of course, broke the rules that the DNC laid out by going too early with its primary. So the fact that were no delegates, but it is still a win, what significance does it have for Hillary Clinton tonight?

POWERS: Well, it has significance, I guess, that she can say that she won the votes of the people. But the reality is, as the Clinton campaign keeps saying, it's a delegate fight, we are looking at the fact that--

COLMES: Right. And she is trying to reinstate those delegates. She is fighting a fight to gets those delegates back in.

POWERS: Yes. And that is very unlikely to happen. I think that the delegates will probably be seated after the nominee is chosen.

But this is a PR move. It is a smart PR move, and they can get some good coverage off of it.

COLMES: And there might be some momentum coming out of it as well.

POWERS: And it is not going to make any difference on that front.

COLMES: And Michael Steele, we keep hearing from Mitt Romney, and he is saying I come in first or second in every single state. He is saying he has the most delegates. But not at least have the Republican delegates now, because they are being penalized, too, on the right, go to John McCain.

Of all of the people in both parties, John McCain had the best night tonight.

STEELE: Absolutely, Alan. This was McCain's night. And, as I said to Sean earlier, you are looking at a candidate who was left by the side of the road. He is the Lazarus of this political season who was able to come back and really make a difference and win some important races.

And tonight was a big night for John McCain. And I think you are gong to see a further, particularly after Rudy's endorsement tomorrow, a further galvanizing around the idea of electability, which is going to be a very interesting debate between economic conservatives and security conservatives as to who is the most electable.

And I think tonight John McCain showed that he is.

COLMES: Sean brought up earlier the fact you still have people in the race like Mike Huckabee whose got a following, and these tend to be more conservative voters. And if Mike Huckabee decides to take his delegates and votes and his falling and say I am supporting someone who is not John McCain, does that one again sway the race in a direction, perhaps, it is not going tonight?

STEELE: It could sway the race, but I think what will happen is the social conservatives represented by Mike Huckabee are going to be very careful about where they land with their vote.

And I think, at this point, I see a split between Romney and McCain at that juncture. And so we will see how that plays out and how the appeal to those candidates, to those supporters, as we move forward on to Super Tuesday.

COLMES: Are you saying what's happening here among Republicans deciding I am going to vote for who I think can actually win. I am going to vote for who I think will be the better candidate to go against either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, regardless of what their personal ideology might be?

STEELE: I think that is beginning to emerge, and I think it is something that Kirsten has talked about as a Democrat when she looks across the aisles and she sees McCain standing there and she pauses. And I think a lot of other people are beginning to do that same thing and say this may be a good thing.

COLMES: And I wonder if that is happening on the Democratic side. It seems to me that that it is really neck and neck on the Democratic side. I do not think anybody can predict who the nominee is going to be.

POWERS: Everyone keeps seeing Hillary Clinton as a front runner, I think. But the reality is, going into the February 5 states, I think most people think they are going to come out of it with a pretty equal number of delegates.

COLMES: So you cannot predict what is going to happen on Super Tuesday, can you?

POWERS: I'm not going to predict.

(CROSSTALK)

POWERS: I don't know. Are you going to make predictions at this point, Alan?

COLMES: I am not going to predict. I am not in that business tonight, at least.

STEELE: Alan?

COLMES: Yes, Michael?

STEELE: I was going to say that before this started I thought the Republicans would be the one with an open convention. Now I think it has shifted to the Democrats. I think there is a real potential there for an open convention.

COLMES: One has to wonder about a Hillary-Obama ticket, or vice versa, whether that is even a possibility.

POWERS: That is even more of a possibility now.

HANNITY: Not happening. They have to shake hands at a State of the Union Address, first.

COLMES: Thanks very much for being with us tonight.

Coming up, now that Mike Huckabee came in fourth place in Florida, is this the end of the road for him as well? We're going to ask a campaign insider coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLMES: And joining us now, former Arkansas Senator and Huckabee campaign adviser, Tim Hutchinson. Good to have you with us once again, sir.

Not a great night for Mike Huckabee in Florida. How is the campaign responding and reacting to what happened tonight?

TIM HUTCHINSON, HUCKABEE CAMPAIGN ADVISOR: I think you have Governor Huckabee on a little earlier; he is very optimistic and very upbeat and looking forward to Super Tuesday where his focus has been and the bigger prizes that are going to be out next week.

With all due respect, all the pundits, we saws earlier this year, they pronounce that Giuliani was going to be the anointed nominee, and we had before McCain pronounced as politically dead.

As Governor Huckabee says, his political obituary has been written many, many times. In fact, his political obituary was written before the birth announcement went out.

And he is going to be the comeback kid. We feel very, very good about what it looks like next week on Super Tuesday.

COLMES: We had the Huckaboom, and since then he has not one another caucus or primary. So isn't that an issue? And in terms of fund-raising, we are hearing about shoestring budgets--how does he have the funds to compete with the McCains and the Romney's at this point?

HUTCHINSON: A couple of things--the funds kept coming in after the second place finish in South Carolina, very dedicated.

And the other thing is that the campaign does a great deal with very few resources. And so, they can keep going. They have got a great grassroots support effort out there.

You know, Alan, we have chosen less than 10 percent of the delegates to the Republican convention thus far, and, yet, everybody wants to rush to make a two-man race, or rush to declare who the ultimate nominee is going to be.

There is a long ways to go in this nominating process. And it is a process, not a one night event.

COLMES: I know as long as you're in a campaign and you're supporting a campaign you cannot very well go on national television and say it is not looking too good, and we think we are gong to have to pull out, you can't say that. But what would be the trajectory from here that would enable Mike Huckabee to get the nomination? How would that happen at this point?

HUTCHINSON: Well, Alan, first of all, I keep hearing that it is a two-man race. You all have been talking about that all night. There are three national polls out right now, the most recent national polls, that have Governor Huckabee ahead of Governor Romney in these national polls.

So I am not saying that it is a two-man race. I think Romney has still got a chance, and he should hang in there.

But this is very competitive, and Governor Huckabee is performing very, very well on a national basis. And if you look at the Super Tuesday states, there is a half-dozen of them right now in which Governor Huckabee is leading in the polls.

So I think this should be a night for optimism at the Huckabee campaign.

HANNITY: Senator, welcome back to the program. Good to see you, and thank you for being with us.

HUTCHINSON: Good to see you, Sean.

HANNITY: See if you can follow my analysis and whether you agree with this here.

You have Mayor Giuliani getting out; he will be endorsing Senator McCain. That would seem to me to leave open for Senator McCain, give him an opportunity to seek out the independent, moderate, liberal vote of the party.

And then you have Governor Romney, who is clearly courting conservatives in the Republican Party, competing with Mike Huckabee, who wants the evangelical vote, generally considered conservative.

It seems to me that it might be the perfect storm for Senator McCain as the conservative vote gets split, the independent, moderate, liberal vote will go to McCain solely. Is that a possible scenario that will benefit Senator McCain?

HUTCHINSON: I think there is a lot of plotting and planning there that I am not sure I could follow all of that.

I think Governor Huckabee is the most talented political talent out there. He has done an amazing job this year.

HANNITY: Let me say something here.

HUTCHINSON: All right.

HANNITY: Governor Romney was clearly courting the conservative vote, and Mike Huckabee, whose base is the evangelical vote, generally the conservative wing of the party--will they split their vote and live the liberal-moderate- independent vote open for McCain, and then pave the way for him?

HUTCHINSON: Well, I do not--I am trying to avoid being critical. This is a great night for Senator McCain.

HANNITY: No, we want you to be critical. It makes for a much better show. Go ahead.

I'm teasing.

HUTCHINSON: Governor Huckabee is the genuine, authentic conservative. He hasn't changed positions. He knows what he believes. He has been there from day one.

That is what is going to resonate. That is what is connecting not only in the southern states, but in these Republican primaries. I think that is what you're going to see.

HANNITY: One of the issues that he ran into difficulty, Senator, in the state of Florida was that he is running out of money, and now he has been out there back on the campaign trail trying to raise money for Super Tuesday one week from today.

How is this money issue going to impact his ability to run the kind of campaign he needs to run to be competitive on Super Tuesday?

HUTCHINSON: Well, I think he made the right choice in really focusing upon Super Tuesday and not putting all the resources into Florida. Florida is a hugely expensive state. It was always a long shot that he be able to overcome the odds there.

But he has run a national campaign. He is running national media, national spots. He has a national profile--that is what he is running second in these national polls right now.

So I think he is in a very solid position as he goes into Super Tuesday. We will have a different story next week than what you are hearing tonight.

HANNITY: All right. We will be right here. We'll be waiting to see the story unfold.

Senator, always good to see you. Thank you for being with us.

HUTCHINSON: Thanks Sean.

HANNITY: And coming up next--former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani finishes a disappointing third in Florida, prompting plans to withdraw from the race and reports he will throw his support to Senator John McCain.

When we come back, Dick Morris, he will be back with us to tell what that all means for Hillary Clinton. That's straight ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HANNITY: as we continue on this special edition of "Hannity & Colmes," joining us now, once again, former Clinton adviser, Dick Morris is with us now.

All right, I wanted to ask the question I was asking the senator moments ago. So Rudy Giuliani is going to endorse a Senator John McCain. Independents, moderates, liberals, they will go top Senator McCain. He has all those votes.

Now you have Romney and Huckabee, are they going to split the more conservative vote and pave the way for McCain?

DICK MORRIS, FORMER CLINTON ADVISOR: Sure they are. Huckabee, in the exit poll, got 20 percent of those who describe themselves as very conservative, but only eight percent of those who describe themselves as moderate.

But the point is that all of the other Republican candidates hate Mitt Romney.

HANNITY: Why? Because he has money?

MORRIS: No. He has run negative ads on every single one of them, and they can't stand him. And Huckabee will probably stay in the race if for no other reason than to beat Romney.

HANNITY: Romney has been aggressive in running comparative ads.

MORRIS: When I used to write them I called them comparative, too.

HANNITY: But Senator McCain did something. He still has the Bush campaign, and we remember back in 2000 how angry he was and frustrated he was in South Carolina at the aggressive nature of the Bush campaign went after him. Those Bush people now work for Senator McCain.

MORRIS: Yes.

HANNITY: They orchestrated this sort of Florida surprise on Saturday over the timetable issue, when it clearly wasn't true, and every objective newspaper--

MORRIS: But you asked me about Huckabee and the other candidates, and I think that Rudy is endorsing McCain because he does not like Romney, and Huckabee will stay in the race because he does not like Romney, also because--

HANNITY: That's why he's staying in the race--

MORRIS: No, no. I think the main reason is that he can get a lot of delegates committed to his evangelical point of view and be a factor. But I think he certainly does not want to do Romney any favors.

HANNITY: I do not want to disrupt you, but I want to get this in. We are one week away from Super Tuesday. It is probably unlikely now, if I am guessing, that we will know a week from tomorrow who the nominees are in both parties.

MORRIS: You will.

HANNITY: You think we'll know a week from tomorrow?

MORRIS: Yes. Both parties Not a majority, but you'll know.

HANNITY: You really think so?

MORRIS: They will still give these speeches about how they will do better down the road, but we'll know.

HANNITY: You don't think there are enough states that Romney can win on Super Tuesday to make it competitive with Senator McCain?

MORRIS: I think there will be a decision one way or another in both primaries that will be evident to everybody. I mean, anyone can win it. It's a two way race.

But wait a second here; I want to make a point here that is really important: when you look at the exit polling--this is the first time we have had good exit polling for a race in which independents couldn't vote, only Republicans. The Republican electorate is moving to the left. It is not that Romney--

COLMES: Or is it they just want to win?

MORRIS: No. It is not that McCain converted the conservatives, it is that Romney ran out of them.

COLMES: Or is it they see that with McCain they have a better chance of getting the nomination.

MORRIS: It is not what either of you guys are saying.

(CROSSTALK)

MORRIS: Wait--27 percent of the voters describe themselves as very conservative, a third said they were somewhat conservative, and a third said they were moderate or liberal. So the point is the Republican electorate has moved to the left.

COLMES: Hold on, guys. You are always looking to him. You do not like looking to me, do you?

Who is going to win?

MORRIS: Which?

COLMES: Both.

MORRIS: At this point the Democratic race is just too close to call because of Obama's gain. The Republican race, you really have to give the edge to McCain because they respect a frontrunner, the division on the right, the unity of the center, and that the Republican voters are being affected by the same national trend that is moving them to the left.

COLMES: You say the Democrats are too close to call. Could Edwards right now have an effect on the outcome of this race if he wants to?

MORRIS: He might. But, at the moment, his voters are those which cannot decide which they do not like more, a black or a woman getting elected.

COLMES: Are you saying his voters are bigots?

MORRIS: I am saying that a lot of his voters are there because they do not want a woman and they do not want a black.

COLMES: So his voter are bigots is what you are saying.

MORRIS: No. I am saying what I just said.

COLMES: I'm rephrasing it.

MORRIS: And if Edwards withdrew, god knows where they'd go.

Most of the people that really wanted an alternative to Hillary are going with Obama. What you're dealing with now are a bunch of people that one does not know how they would vote.

COLMES: Do you really believe if you support Edwards it's because you don't want a woman or a black, and that is why you would support John Edwards?

MORRIS: No. I think there are a lot of people that are supporting Edwards because he is a good man. But I do believe that a large portion of his vote, as indicated by the exit polls, are people that say America is not ready for a woman and not ready for a black.

COLMES: All right, Dick, we thank you very much for being with us tonight.

And that does it for this special edition of "Hannity & Colmes." Stay with Fox News Channel as our "You Decide" 2008 Florida primary coverage continues straight ahead with Greta Van Susteren.

Thank you very much for watching this special edition of "Hannity & Colmes."


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