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Dick Morris On Bill Clinton, Gingrich, Giuliani

Hannity & Colmes


BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (voice-over): The only reason to really support anybody for president is that you believe they'll be the best president. I've seen a lot of people come and go over time, and I like most of the people I've met in politics, but I can tell you that what I believed 35 years ago about Hillary, that she has the best combination of mind and heart, of leadership ability and a feel for the human consequences of the decisions that a leader makes. I believe that today even more strongly than I believed it then.

When she says, "Vote for me and we'll pursue a clean, independent energy future that will create millions of jobs, we will finally provide health care for all Americans, we will build an economy that is more just, we'll build a world with more partners and fewer enemies, and we'll end the war in Iraq," when she says those things, you know that she'll deliver, because she's spent a lifetime caring, working, and delivering.

I hope you'll support her campaign. If you do, you'll always be proud you did. As president, she'll make you proud every day.


HANNITY: God help us.

And joining us now with analysis on that and tomorrow's South Carolina debate, former Clinton adviser Dick Morris. By the way, you can go to and receive Dick's latest columns and newsletters, by the way, absolutely free.

You know, Dick, I watched this ad today, and I'm thinking, "This doesn't help her." What are your thoughts?

DICK MORRIS, POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Oh, this does help her. When you ask people, "Why are you supporting Hillary Clinton?" Ten percent of the people that vote for her out of their own imagination say, "Because Bill was a good president." And that identification helps her.

If you do too much of it, she becomes a puppet. But I watched that today. In fact, I just watched it a few minutes ago. And it is so packed with distortions. It talks about how Hillary worked on this and worked on that. The fact is, she didn't get anything of that sort passed.

It says that Hillary turned down many lucrative job offers. The fact is, she flunked the D.C. bar and the only place where she passed the bar was Arkansas. And she didn't get any offers in Arkansas, so she got a job teaching at the law school he was teaching at.

It talks about how she worked in all these clinics to help poor people in Yale Law School. What she spent most of her time doing was defending the Black Panthers, who were accused of killing a police officer and torturing a cop.

HANNITY: Let me ask you -- but it seems to me, if she's reaching for Bill and his popularity at this early stage, why I do always suspect there's something behind that?

MORRIS: Well, there is something coming up. On June 15th, there's going to be two books or thereabouts, one by Carl Bernstein and the other by Jeff Gerth. And Jeff, for my money, is the best investigative reporter in the world.

And I don't know what they have, but they both act a little giddy. I've interviewed with both of them, and they may have a lot. And I think Bill is very anxious to try to bring that marriage together, as is Hillary, because they're worried about what he's going to come up with.

HANNITY: Yes. You know, I'm watching -- for example, I read your recent column, by the way. And I am plugging your Web site. But it's the Democrats in Iraq, and you go through Hillary's record. And I've got to be honest, this has been a real source of frustration for me, Dick.

And we have highlighted this both on radio on "Hannity's America," and that is that she made the case in 2002 as strongly as George W. Bush. She bragged the day we captured Saddam Hussein on how "I voted for that resolution."

MORRIS: Give me 20 seconds.

HANNITY: And she's never held -- go ahead.

MORRIS: Give me 20 seconds to do my thing. She voted for the use of force resolution, but she doesn't apologize for it, because Bush misinterpreted it to mean that use of force was authorized, whereas, in fact, all she meant by it was to give the U.N. inspectors power.

Now she wants to repeal the use of force resolution so that we can de- authorize the war in Iraq, but she won't stop appropriations of the money going to the soldiers because she wants to support them, but it will be illegal for Bush to spend the money for a purpose that isn't authorized.

HANNITY: Why does she never get called on it, though?

MORRIS: And she's going to keep troops in Iraq for about 50 different missions, but she's going to have a very small number doing it, but they'll all have health insurance.

COLMES: Let me get a couple things straight her, Dick. First of all, she did work for the Rose law firm, so she did have a job in Arkansas.

MORRIS: No, she got the Rose law firm job when her husband became attorney general.

COLMES: But she did get a job.

MORRIS: Wait a second. Four years after she moved to Arkansas.

COLMES: Right, but she did get a job at a law firm.

Also, in terms of the Black Panther...

MORRIS: Oh, by the way, she got the Rose law firm job the day he got made attorney general, and she made partner when he became governor.

COLMES: I understand. And, of course, you're that there's some kind of collusion or nepotism going on.

MORRIS: I'm suggesting that her career was a derivative.

COLMES: Also, she worked as an intern in an office of an attorney representing the Black Panthers and Yale.

MORRIS: No, she had two involvements with the Black Panthers. One is that, at Yale, she was head of a support group that went to the trial every single day of the Black Panthers that was nearby. And, secondly, she then traveled from Yale all the way to San Francisco to intern at the office of the guy who defended them who is head of the Communist Party for California.

COLMES: She was working simply as intern and worked as an attorney at New Haven at the attorney representing the Black Panthers.


MORRIS: There are plenty of internships doing traffic tickets or doing landlord-tenant law.

COLMES: But, Dick, an intern doesn't decide what cases the attorney they're interning for takes.

MORRIS: Oh, of course they do.

COLMES: The intern decides -- she decided as an intern what cases the attorney should take?

MORRIS: No, she decided to work for Truehoff (ph), because he was the Black Panther attorney. Wait a second. Hang on.

COLMES: Go ahead.

MORRIS: Truehoff (ph), the guy she worked for, was the Black Panther attorney. The reason she traveled for San Francisco to work for him was to work on the Black Panther case, something that doesn't appear in her memoirs or in bill's ad.

COLMES: When you intern in an office, you don't always get to direct what you get to do. But let me move on.

The "Newsweek" poll out now, she is leading Giuliani 49 percent to 46 percent, leading McCain 50 percent-44 percent. She's leading Romney by an even greater margin, 57 percent to 35 percent. And also, in the Marist poll, again, leading the other top candidates. So she's doing better and better, as time goes on.

MORRIS: I've always told you I think she's going to win. The interesting thing is, why did she rebound like she was? She was down in the dumps about two weeks ago, and now she's back up with the 17- or 18- point lead over Obama.

And I think it has to do with the following exchange in the Democratic debate. They asked the candidates, "If Al Qaeda simultaneously struck two American cities, what would your response be?" And this is what Obama said. He was the first one to answer. "Well, the first thing we'd have to do is to make sure we have effective emergency response, something the administration hasn't done. And I think we have to review how we'd operate in a natural disaster or terrorist attack. The second thing is to get good intelligence. And the third thing is to find out who might have been responsible so we can potentially take some action to dismantle that network."

Hillary came back and hit it out of the park. She said, "I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate. If we're attacked and we can determine who's behind that attack, and if there are nations that supported or gave material aid to those who attack us, I believe we should quickly respond."

COLMES: You think that answer by itself catapults her in the polls, that one answer in a debate that not a lot of people actually saw?

MORRIS: A lot of people who vote in the primaries saw it. Four things did. This answer was a big part of it. Then she came out with a strong plan to withdraw from Iraq by undoing her vote to authorize the use of force that I was talking about.

COLMES: There's a lot of people who are against what they voted for back then.

MORRIS: Thirdly, I think that the Supreme Court decided the partial birth abortion case pro-life, and that scared the hell out of the pro- choice movement, and they decided, "Hey, we need a woman up there." And, finally, she's been making all this use of Bill Clinton. And you know that that's good for her, because she wouldn't be doing it if it weren't. You can always read the polls by watching what she's doing.

HANNITY: All right. Hang on, Dick. We'll have more with Dick Morris coming up on the other side of the break, mere seconds.

Also coming up tonight, Newt Gingrich will join us with his predictions for tomorrow night and the big debate. Plus, a look at his brand-new book, "Pearl Harbor."

And then, more from the scene of tomorrow's Republican debate. When we come back in a few minutes, the governor of the great state of South Carolina will be joining us right here on this special edition of "Hannity & Colmes." Thank you for being with us.


DIANE SAWYER, HOST, "GOOD MORNING AMERICA": You have said you'll make a decision the end of September about what you're going to do. Just tell me, more likely, less likely, this morning, right now?

NEWT GINGRICH (R), FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Well, I think right now that it is a great possibility, but we're focused on...

SAWYER: A great possibility you will run?

GINGRICH: We're focused on a workshop on September 27th called Solutions Day. It will be nationwide, online. It's at And I really -- I don't want to get into all this stuff. I want to focus on, what do we have to do to make America successful?


HANNITY: That was former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich on "Good Morning America" this morning talking about a possible presidential run, now, something he's been on the fence about for a long time. Now, we're going to hear from the former speaker coming up later in the program.

But we continue now with former Clinton adviser Dick Morris. All right, he took it to a new level today, Dick. And the word is there's a great possibility...

MORRIS: Right.

HANNITY: ... that he's going to run. That sounds like he's running.

MORRIS: Why do I feel like I'm in a time warp? I hear Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich. You know, I did that a while ago.

I think that the interesting thing about the debate tomorrow will be the two people that aren't there, Fred Thompson and Newt Gingrich. And they hang over the race like these enormous shadows. Nobody else can get it on track. Romney can't break double digits. None of the other candidates can break through. The social conservatives don't have the candidate because they're waiting for the two guys that aren't there.

And what Gingrich said today is he's not going to be there until September. And, Sean, what is it, May 14th today? Fred Thompson has been talking about this for, what, 10 weeks? So, you know, I mean, I think that both of these guys have a responsibility to the Republican Party to either run or get off the you-know-what.

HANNITY: Dick, let me ask you about a double standard that is absolutely driving me insane in this race already. For example, we're reading even today about Senator McCain's temper, but you don't read similar stories about Hillary's temper. Mike Wallace on "60 Minutes" yesterday literally is asking a presidential candidate when he first had sex with his wife.

There's a whole series of hit pieces out on Rudy Giuliani today. If elected president, he could pose a conflict in the private sector. He parlayed his fame into wealth. Bloomberg tops Rudy in all the -- in the battle of the titans of New York mayors.

There's not that same scrutiny. Hillary supports partial-birth abortion. You don't hear any questions about that. This is going to be the biggest campaign contribution to the Democrats.

MORRIS: What's going on is a concerted effort by the liberal media and the Democratic establishment to derail Rudy Giuliani as a potential Republican candidate...


MORRIS: ... because they know that Rudy is the one that can beat Hillary and can win. And, therefore, the "New York Times" runs this ridiculous front-page story, saying that Rudy's legacy will be hurt because he made rescue workers breathe the foul air, like he didn't breathe it himself, like we should have waited a year-and-a-half before we dug up the body parts so that people would be fine, like that wasn't a casualty of terrorism?

The "Times" and the liberal organs are going out of their way to besmirch Giuliani. And the best thing -- I hope FOX doesn't do this tomorrow -- was MSNBC short-changed Rudy by 40 percent on the time that he was allotted in the last debate.

COLMES: Hey, Dick, we've only got a second here, but, you know, you want to blame the Democrats for going after Obama. You blame Hillary for that, and when it's time to go after Rudy, you want to blame the liberal press and the Democrats for that. Don't the Republicans do their own opposition research and go after each other in the primary? It's not always the Democrats or the so-called "liberal press's" fault going after Democrats?

MORRIS: Not a whole lot. The only candidate that has any kind of budget to do that is Romney, and he's probably not going to do it, because Rudy is not really his threat. McCain doesn't have any kind of a budget. He's hand to mouth on money. Rudy is the only other guy with money. And the journalistic organs do not have the budgets for this kind of op research. This is fed to them, piece by piece. Can I cut your meat for you, sir?

COLMES: But Rudy's problem is he's flip-flopped on a number of issues. He's been all over the place on partial-birth abortion, wouldn't agree to going against partial-birth abortion. When Michael Long asked him to do so, the head of the Conservative Party in New York when he ran for Senate, and now he's having it a different way.

MORRIS: In the last analysis, his answer on choice is a very courageous one. You have nine guys standing up there and saying, "I'm pro- life," and Rudy gets up there and says he's pro-choice. You have to applaud the guy's courage for doing that.

COLMES: I actually agree with you on that, but he gave two answers to whether Roe v. Wade should be overturned in the debate.

MORRIS: I thought that was stupid. I thought he was pathetic when he did that, but then he got it together toward the end of the debate.

COLMES: Tomorrow night, what does the second- or third-tier candidate have to do to move up a tier in the debate, if it's possible?

MORRIS: I don't know. Win a war. Cure cancer. I think the main thing that I'm going to be looking for as I watch that debate is, will Rudy finally step up to the 9/11 legacy? Will he sort of say to these other guys, these other nine pigmies, "Look, I ran New York City, not only reduced crime, not only balanced the budget, but I ran it during 9/11. I understand how to stop terrorism. I understand how to deal with terrorism. And when you want a president who's going to have the experience to deal with terrorists, you're not going to find it in a senator. You're sure not going to find it in a congressman or a former governor of a state that was never attacked. You're going to find it in the mayor of the city that took it on the chin."

COLMES: Does he has a problem that he put the control tower...

MORRIS: He's got to do that.

COLMES: ... control center in the World Trade Center after the 1993 hit on the World Trade Center? He still used that for command and control. Wasn't that a big misstep? And the first responders in New York weren't working very well. Isn't that on his shoulders, as well?

MORRIS: It's the tallest building in New York. And you need to be able to see what's going on. So it made sense to do that. As far as the first responders, look, everybody knows that this guy's role in 9/11 was spectacular. And what he needs to do is to embrace that. In the last debate, he didn't mention 9/11 until his final answer.

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