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Reps. Van Hollen & McCarthy on "John King, USA"

By John King, USA

ANNOUNCER: In this corner and in this corner.

YELLIN: Have you ever been called in to work during your summer vacation? Well now you can sympathize with our next guest and with your member of Congress. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi today announced that she is summoning the House of Representatives back to Washington next week to vote on a bill that would give $26 billion to the states to prevent teacher layoffs and help pay poor people's medical bills.

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But that means new travel plans for California Republican Congressman Kevin McCarthy and Maryland Democratic Congressman Chris Van Hollen -- a little easier for you to make the trip. Thanks to both of you for being with us.

Congressman McCarthy, first to you, it's no secret that states are hurting. Can you support this measure?

REP. KEVIN MCCARTHY (R), CALIFORNIA: Well the most important part is always how do we pay for it? You know we're borrowing 43 cents out of every dollar. There's lot of places to stay if you look at within the stimulus, the money not used, not creating jobs. There are lot of places to find where you could pay for this bill. But I think that's what the debate would really be about.

YELLIN: Well let me put it to you. He just used the word stimulus. You know Republicans are going to say this is just another unfunded, unpopular stimulus. How do Democrats rebut that?

REP. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D), MARYLAND: Well first of all, a lot of people are planning to send their kids back to school and it's important that we have enough teachers in the classroom to actually teach those kids and so that's why it's important that we move quickly to avoid these layoffs.

But just to go directly to Kevin's point, this is all paid for. I hope Kevin will look at the details of this and his Republican colleagues will support it. One of the ways we pay for it is to use some of the funds for the recovery that have not been used. But the main way we pay for it is to shut down some of these loopholes, perverse loopholes that encourage big American corporations to ship jobs overseas.

So we say we're not going to reward those companies for shipping jobs overseas. Let's use that money instead for teachers in our classrooms here at home. So I really hope that our colleagues will come on board.

YELLIN: OK, let's talk a little bit about last night's primaries because there's a lot to chew over. But one thing I wanted to get right to is Rick Snyder, the winner of Michigan's Republican gubernatorial primary and Congressman McCarthy, watch this ad for a minute or listen to it if you could.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE, POLITICAL AD: Rick Snyder for Michigan, he's one tough nerd.

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YELLIN: One tough nerd. He's also the candidate who is not associated with the Tea Party, not an incumbent, and sort of an outsider. What does this say about the Tea Party's influence right now?

MCCARTHY: Well, the one thing you'll find with the Tea Party and others, it's an organically grown frustration with where this country is going, with the direction, with the lack of jobs, the amount of deficit. So here you have an individual that's been successful in his own right running against the establishment in a state that has one of the highest unemployment's. They want to see a change. They want to see something different than what's been coming out of Washington. That's why it was not a good night for the Democrats. It won't be in November either.

YELLIN: But he was not associated with the Tea Party and yet he won, so is this a sign that people can resist the Tea Party and still win on the Republican ballot this year?

MCCARTHY: Well, the thing you see from the Tea Party is the frustration with the amount of spending in Washington and their lack of solutions. I think people would be able to go and run on a lot of different issues. But that brings intensity out and helps them from the process that he's a tough nerd. He's going to get stuff done. He's going to find solutions. He's going to put people to work.

YELLIN: There is a new Tea Party caucus in the House. Have you decided will you join the Tea Party caucus?

MCCARTHY: I have not, because the one thing I found, I've been to the Tea Party rallies right here in Bakersfield, where 2,500 people showed up. But it's organically grown. I'd hate to ever put a zip code of 20515 on to the Tea Party. It is a national growing across the country frustration, trying to bring common sense and a check and balance back to America.

YELLIN: I just want to move on to something that just happened today. A federal court ruled California's Proposition 8 banning gay marriage is unconstitutional.

Congressman McCarthy, to you first, will this continue to be a wedge issue moving forward?

MCCARTHY: Well, I think the issue itself will continue to move forward. If you talk to both sides prior to the court's decision, they said they would appeal it. I think this issue will probably end up in the Supreme Court.

YELLIN: But will it motivate your base to go out and vote? And will it become -- will we see it in states?

MCCARTHY: Well, you've seen it in states for the last numerous years across the states with a number of individuals passing the initiative that marriage is between a man and a woman.

YELLIN: Do you still think --

MCCARTHY: Just as California voters have done, and now you have courts turning it over.

YELLIN: And to you, Representative Van Hollen, do you think this is going to drive Republican voters? We will see new ballot initiatives across the country in maybe 2012?

VAN HOLLEN: I don't think so. I mean, this is obviously a California case. It could have repercussions in some of the California races. I don't see in this current economy, and given all the other issues at stake in this election, that that decision will have a driving impact in the other elections.

YELLIN: People are just too concerned about the economy.

MCCARTHY: The number one issue is going to be about jobs. You have the Democrat plan that passed the stimulus which cost us more than $1 trillion when it came to the interest, as well. And more people -- if you take the polling today, more people in America believe Elvis Presley is alive than the stimulus actually created jobs.

(LAUGHTER)

YELLIN: OK. There have been sightings.

VAN HOLLEN: Does that include your Republican members who are showing up at the ribbon-cutting ceremonies and the groundbreaking ceremonies across the country? Are they waiting for Elvis to show up?

YELLIN: Taking credit.

VAN HOLLEN: I mean, come on. These are guys who are showing up -- Kevin?

MCCARTHY: It includes these Republicans who are showing up at small businesses, where 70 percent of all jobs are created, where we wrote a stimulus bill, gave it to the president. He even said it wasn't --

VAN HOLLEN: Kevin --

MCCARTHY: But that was not what your party --

(CROSSTALK)

VAN HOLLEN: It's a perfect example of your guys trying to have it both ways. They're showing up to groundbreaking ceremonies that would not have happened except for the economic recovery bill. Otherwise, they would not have happened, and they're taking credit for it. At the same time, they're running around and saying this is going (ph) to create jobs. So, look, people can --

MCCARTHY: Chris, do you realize in your -- VAN HOLLEN: Kevin, people can disagree on this issue, but what they don't like is the hypocrisy they're seeing in many of these cases.

MCCARTHY: What we don't like --

(CROSSTALK)

YELLIN: And this is the debate we're going to see going forward. We are out of time, gentlemen. I am sorry to end it there, but I think we'll hear a lot about this before November.

Thanks to both of you for joining us.

 

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