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January 24, 2008

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Hannity & Colmes

HANNITY: Welcome to HANNITY AND COLMES. We're glad you're with us. I'm Sean Hannity. We'll get right to our top story. The Clinton/Obama war has entered another new phase. While campaigning in South Carolina, former President Clinton said that Hillary Clinton could lose Saturday's primary because many African-Americans in the Palmetto State will likely vote for Senator Obama.

The former president also got into a heated exchange with a reporter over the topic, you guessed it, race.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CLINTON: What you care about is this, and the Obama people know that. So they just spin you up on this, and you happily go along. The people don't care about this.

He doesn't care what happens. He just knows he can call you a name, and you guys will cover it. They did not ask about this, and you don't care what your own people care about.

You're asking me about this. You sat through this whole meeting. Not one single, solitary soul asked about any of this, and they never do. They're feeding you this because they know this is what you want to cover. This is what you live for.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Even as both campaigns continue to say that race should not be a factor in the race, there it is, it keeps popping up. Joining us now, nationally syndicated radio talk show hosts Armstrong Williams and Michael Reagan. Also the assistant professor of public policy at George Mason University, author of "Republicans and The Black Vote," Michael Fauntroy is with us.

All right, Armstrong, let me start with you. He also said one other thing, suggesting that if Hillary loses in South Carolina it's going to be because African-Americans, the black vote, went to Barack Obama. Is that, in and of itself, racial?

ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: On former President Bill Clinton's part -- I've got to tell you, many people in South Carolina who watched the debate in Myrtle Beach found her to be really nasty and sort of pretty disgusting. You noticed, she was booed when she mentioned the slum lord comment. The fact is, Mrs. Clinton, South Carolina was hers to lose, being a native of the state.

HANNITY: But Armstrong, he's suggesting -- this is the former president suggesting that his wife, Hillary Clinton, may lose the primary in South Carolina because black voters will side with Barack Obama because he's black.

WILLIAMS: They're siding and going along with Senator Barack Obama because they think he's the better candidate after watching both and examining their records. She may inject race. He may do it because he realizes that she doesn't have much to cling on to. That's true. She is losing that vote. It's not because of race. It's because they think he's a better candidate.

HANNITY: Michael Fauntroy, your thoughts?

MICHAEL FAUNTROY, AUTHOR, "REPUBLICANS AND THE BLACK VOTE": I think it has absolutely nothing to do with President Clinton trying to inject race into this. He doesn't benefit, neither does Senator Clinton, by doing that. The reality is, when this campaign started, Senator Clinton had an overwhelming majority of black votes. They began to move toward Obama when Obama became more known to them as voters.

And as he began to campaign in the state more and black voters became more comfortable with him, then something natural happened and that is African-Americans saw for the first time an opportunity to vote for somebody who could actually be president. And that's no different than what happens with women around the country, some are supporting Senator Clinton just for that reason. And it also has nothing to do with -- I'm almost done -- it has nothing to do with why, for example, so many Mormons are supporting Mitt Romney.

HANNITY: So, it's perfectly acceptable if somebody votes for a white candidate because they're white?

FAUNTROY: Let me tell you --

(CROSS TALK)

FAUNTROY: The point is certainly this; it is wrong to vote against someone because of what they look like or what they believe.

HANNITY: Please, this is a simple question.

FAUNTROY: It is perfectly --

HANNITY: Michael --

FAUNTROY: It's perfectly natural for Italians to support Rudy Giuliani, just as it's perfectly --

HANNITY: You don't want to answer my question. I'm going to ask you up or down. Stop with the lectures. I want a simple answer. It's acceptable to you for somebody to express that they're going to vote for a candidate because they are white? That's OK with you?

FAUNTROY: It's understandable human nature.

HANNITY: It is? Michael Reagan, do you agree, and your thoughts on Bill Clinton, his angry outburst, and him saying that Barack Obama put a hit job out on me?

MICHAEL REAGAN, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Sean, the reality is Bill Clinton is trying to set this up to blame the blacks in South Carolina for the loss that his wife is going to incur --

ALAN COLMES, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: That's ridiculous.

REAGAN: -- on this Saturday. That's what's going on. Listen, that's what Democrats do, Alan.

COLMES: Michael, what Bill Clinton was doing --

REAGAN: Armstrong is right, but the other side is right too. Let's affix blame.

(CROSS TALK)

COLMES: What President Reagan was doing was talking about what the polls were showing --

REAGAN: President Reagan?

COLMES: Excuse me, I was talking to Michael Reagan. I'm thinking of President Reagan. What President Clinton was doing was talking about what the polls were reflecting. The polls were reflecting that the African- American vote in South Carolina is likely to go to Barack Obama. That's what the polls show, Michael Reagan. That's not being racist. That's pointing out what is political reality in South Carolina right now.

REAGAN: Alan, you're right, because the blacks chose the better candidate. But when this is all said and done, what he's really saying is, the black vote left Hillary and left me, went to Barack Obama, and it's their -- they're the reason, in fact, why my wife is going to lose, and ultimately will lose --

COLMES: You want to make it racial. You want to accuse the Clintons of being racial. You want to accuse the Clintons of blaming blacks. And, Armstrong Williams, it's a matter of fact in politics that people like to break glass ceilings by people -- by voting for people who look like them. A lot of women want to vote for someone who looks like them, for Hillary Clinton. A lot of blacks want to vote for Barack Obama. People want to vote for a candidate, especially if they've never had one that looks like them. That is a fact in politics.

WILLIAMS: Alan, let me say, what you're saying absolutely has merit to it, in all candor. I think what former President Bill Clinton is saying is ridiculous. But I think it is true that many Americans in this country realize for the first time that there is this possibility that in their lifetimes there could be someone in the White House other than a white man. And that's something that's not just lost on black people in this country. I think there are a lot of Americans who like the fact that there's this man, given the history of this country, who has a possibility to make American another example for the rest of the world.

And it is a fact that in that regard, race does play, but not just with black voters, but many other voters.

COLMES: But it's not because they're racists or because they're misogynists or because they hate white people or like white people. It's because that's the way it works. People like an opportunity to vote for someone new, someone fresh, and to break through those glass ceilings that have never been approached before in the way they're being approached in this election.

FAUNTROY: Listen, Alan, like I said, I see it as simply human nature. It's not at all unusual when you have an opportunity to vote for somebody who sort of represents you in a physical sort of way. I don't think it's inherently racist to suggest that because black voters are supporting Barack Obama that they are in fact racists.

And by the way, South Carolina is not going to be dispositive of anything. It's one contest in what's shaping up to be a very long contest. And it's quite likely when it's all said and done, South Carolina is not going to mean a whole lot.

(CROSS TALK)

REAGAN: Can I say something, Alan?

COLMES: Go ahead.

REAGAN: I might remind people that Iowa is a pretty white state, and the last time I checked, Barack Obama won Iowa.

COLMES: Right.

REAGAN: So he does cross party lines. So don't sit there and say well, we vote for people that look like us.

COLMES: They do.

REAGAN: I looked in the mirror this morning. I don't look a thing like Barack Obama. But if I were a Democrat, I would vote for him, because I would trust him.

FAUNTROY: Listen, Barack Obama does not benefit from a campaign in which only black voters will support him. He can't win that way. He has to broaden his base. Everybody understands that.

COLMES: But also a lot of white people would like a woman or African- American in office for a change. We'll be right back in a moment with more of our guests and Barack Obama's wife fires back at Bill and Hillary's on- going attacks. It goes both ways. We'll tell you what she says and why the former president is accusing the Illinois senator of a hit job.

And Frank Luntz in a focus group you've got to see to believe. We'll show you what happens when Playboy and politics collide coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COLMES: A new radio spot attacking Barack Obama was pulled from the airwaves just 24 hours after its release by the Clinton campaign. The ad targets Obama's recent comments about the Republican party. Let's take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Listen to Barack Obama last week talking about Republicans.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there, over the last ten, 15 years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really? Aren't those the ideas that got us into the economic mess we're in today? Ideas like special tax breaks for Wall Street; running up a nine trillion dollar debt; refusing to raise the minimum wage or deal with the housing crisis. Are those the ideas Barack Obama is talking about?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLMES: The ad drew sharp and immediate criticism from the Obama camp. A spokesman for the Illinois senator called the advertisement a negative and dishonest attack. We now continue with Armstrong Williams, Michael Reagan and Michael Fauntroy. Michael Fauntroy, a lot of people have this distaste for Hillary Clinton, want to act as if she's the only party on the attack here. There's been shooting from both sides. We had Barack Obama saying Hillary would say anything to get elected. They've gone back and forth a number of times, but it seems like those who have a political agenda and hate the Clintons want to make it all the Clintons fault.

FAUNTROY: The key word there is hate. This is an opportunity for those who didn't get in enough shots at President Clinton to come and get a second bite at the apple.

COLMES: Hang on. Let the man answer the question.

FAUNTROY: The reality is, even though the ad that was played in my opinion was unfair, the reality is Hillary Clinton is being pummeled by some of the same people who pummeled them back in the 1990's. And it has nothing to do with what she stands for. It's that they have this visceral distaste for the Clintons. Add to that the fact that they don't necessarily have someone who can run in the Republican party that's not part of this same homogenous group in which the possible real difference --

REAGAN: Oh, please.

(CROSS TALK)

COLMES: Michael Reagan, you can snicker and laugh and smirk all you want, but you can't handle the Clintons being prominent and perhaps being president -- Hillary being president of the United States.

REAGAN: Alan, you asked me a question. I'm not running the Democrat campaign. It was Hillary who pulled the ad that was an unfair and a wrong ad to pull.

COLMES: Why didn't you congratulate her for pulling it?

REAGAN: Excuse me. It is John Kerry who sat there and reminded everybody about the middle name of Barack Obama, not the Republicans --

COLMES: It was the right wing bloggers who kept doing that.

REAGAN: Excuse me. It is not my -- excuse me.

(CROSS TALK)

REAGAN: You're the ones bringing this all up, putting it out there, and you're trying to blame my side.

COLMES: Take some personal responsibility. Right wing bloggers talking about madrassas, talking about his middle name being Hussein, Ann Coulter calling him B Hussein Obama. Why don't you take some personal responsibility for your side using the smear tactics against a black candidate.

REAGAN: Alan, put a cork in it for a moment.

COLMES: Thank you for the advice.

REAGAN: I take on my side when they do that and I take on your side when they try to do what you are doing, in fact, right now. Bill and Hillary are running a tag team. They can join the WWF after this election campaign the way they're tag teaming up on Barack Obama. I think he's doing an incredible job, and he should be uplifted in your party. But no, no, no, you can't do that because if you say I hate him, you're probably sleeping with him.

HANNITY: I want to set the record straight here, because it was the Hillary supporters that have been bringing up now on multiple occasions the drug issue, the potential did he sell drugs, the governor's husband in New Hampshire brought up, Barack Hussein Obama, the madrassa issue. These have all been brought up by Hillary supporters. And then they apologize later, but they effectively get out the negative information about Barack Obama that they want.

Now, if you look at the "Washington Post" today, Democratic big wigs are blasting the Clintons for their deceit and cheap shots. Michael Fauntroy, Pat Leahy, Tom Daschle, Ted Kennedy, Rahm Emanuel, James Clyburn, Eleanor Holmes Norton; you talk about the people that have gone after the Clintons before? They are saying that they're deceitful and that they're dishonest and that their tactics are despicable in this campaign, and their smear campaign against Barack. Those are the Democrats. I want Hillary to win, the nomination.

FAUNTROY: Listen, I didn't hear any of them say it was despicable. What we're in right now is a very unusual circumstance, in which a former president is the spouse of someone seeking the presidency right now. And there has to be a different consideration for this whole notion that an ex- president should be a statesman. If my wife were running for president, you'd better believe I would kneecap whoever I wanted to kneecap.

HANNITY: You're missing the point. Let me go to Armstrong. What they're all saying here is that the tactics that the Clintons have employed against Barack Obama are despicable, and they're asking them to stop using these tactics. I have a question, Armstrong; do you think it's on purpose, or is Bill Clinton just a compulsive, bitter, angry, out of control ex- president?

WILLIAMS: You know, they saw Senator Barack Obama as some young rookie upstart who had no chance of wining. They took him lightly, and then he won Iowa. And all of a sudden, the Clintons are doing what they do best. They're trying to win by any means necessary. People know they're vicious. They know they'll do anything.

Yes, they'll say let's play nice, let's not be combative; as Democrats, our goal is to make sure we win the White House. And yet, they set Senator Barack to be (INAUDIBLE) and then they go out and play hard ball with him. Listen, they are disingenuous.

But look, Senator Barack Obama has to determine what he's made of. He can no longer allow himself to be pummeled in these debates like he was on Tuesday. And look, this is war, and if he's not ready to fight the war, he needs to get out of the game.

HANNITY: I will tell you this, he has been fighting back. But I've got to tell you something, the Clintons want to draw everybody into the mud. They wanted this fight because they want it to take away this image that Barack has that he's above politics, and I think in many ways they've been successful. But that raises a question for another day, how do you strategize against a smear campaign of the Clintons. Guys, thanks for being with us. Appreciate your time.

Coming up, new polls have John McCain and Mitt Romney in a fierce battle in the state of Florida. The fastest two segments in politics coming up next. They're on deck.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HANNITY: We have two new polls showing that Mitt Romney is separating from the pack in Tuesday's all important Florida primary. The latest Rasmussen Poll has Romney at 27 percent, John McCain trailing at 23, and Rudy in third place with 20 percent.

A new Mason Dixon poll, released today, shows Romney with a strong 30 percent, John McCain in second with 26, Rudy at 18. Joining us now, Republican strategist Karen Hanretty and NPR senior correspondent Juan Williams. Author and pollster Celinda Lake is with us tonight. Thank you all for being with us.

Karen, by the way, welcome back to the program. She'd been working on the Fred Thompson campaign. Before we get to all those polls, I'm not sure if the polls reflect Fred Thompson getting out of the race and Mike Huckabee maybe not competing there. Would you agree with that analysis, Karen?

KAREN HANRETTY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: I will tell you something else the polls I don't think reflect are all of the absentee voters in Florida. I don't think that these polls are screening for the 30 percent of voters, Republican voters, who have requested an absentee ballot. So, you know, those people have been voting for weeks now. I'm not sure how accurate these polls are. I do tend to think that Romney is ahead. I do think he will win Florida.

HANNITY: If Mike Huckabee is not going to compete fully in there, as he suggested. He might expend his resources elsewhere. Your candidate, Fred Thompson, pulls out. Where do you think those voters are more likely to go or support next?

HANRETTY: I don't think they go in a monolithic block to any one candidate.

HANNITY: Who would they more likely be?

HANRETTY: I think Fred Thompson voters are going to split between Romney and McCain. I don't think that those voters necessarily go to Mike Huckabee. I think he's got this evangelical block, but if you voted for Fred Thompson, you're someone who is a conservative, limited government conservative, and that's not what Mike Huckabee is.

HANNITY: Any thoughts on that?

CELINDA LAKE, DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER: I think that's right, although I think a disproportionate number of them are going to Romney also, because one of the things you have east of the Missisippi, I think a lot of conservative Christians go to Romney. West of the Mississippi they're not going to do that. Romney is going to be in more trouble as he goes west.

HANNITY: All right, Juan Williams, I want to play for you -- first of all, I love Wal-Mart. I shop at Wal-Mart, and Wal-Mart somehow has now become the enemy of the Democratic party. They create jobs and products we all want. Here's Bill Clinton defending his wife's stint on the Wal-Mart board.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CLINTON: When she was asked to go on the board of Wal-Mart, they had no women in positions of management, and they had no environmental profile, and she was asked if she would serve and try to help them become more environmentally sensitive, and she agreed to do it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Juan Williams, why do we have to defend Wal-Mart? They provide products and jobs we want.

JUAN WILLIAMS, NPR CORRESPONDENT: I think lots of people see Wal-Mart as coming in and crushing the little guy, especially in small towns. They say it takes away the old main street. And they've had struggles in big cities like Chicago. The city council wouldn't let them in even here in D.C., big struggles, although they create jobs and, as you say, they lower prices. But they do it at a cost in terms of local business.

COLMES: Bill Clinton is defending Wal-Mart. Hannity and Clinton on the same side there. Let me put up some South Carolina polls there. By the way, we're doing a special HANNITY AND COLMES at 8:00 this Saturday night after the polls close. There we have it, Obama, according to one poll, 45, Clinton 36, Edwards 12. Then you have 43, 28, 17 in another poll. Celinda, is it a done-deal that Barack Obama wins South Carolina?

LAKE: It's never a done deal, but it looks very good for him and he's holding on to about 24 percent of the White vote, has consolidated the African American vote, which is very energized for him. So I think it looks good for Obama in South Carolina.

COLMES: And Juan Williams, is there -- does Clinton pull up a big upset here and is Edwards finished?

WILLIAMS: I don't think she pulls up a big upset, but I think the margin is going to be closer than what Celinda thinks. I think Bill Clinton is having a positive impact in that state. The press hates Bill Clinton, been going after him for not being a statesman. But you know what, I think people are still flocking to those events where you get the former president of the United States, and black America, a lot of people, still think of him as the first black president and all of that foolishness.

COLMES: Just to try to get this in before we go to our next segment, John McCain put out a pretty effective campaign ad. Let's take a quick look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Democrats do not want to run against John McCain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you ask Democrats privately, what do you fear most, the answer is John McCain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'd much prefer to run against Romney.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Democrats I talk to are really worried about a McCain versus Clinton race.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you match McCain up against Barack Obama or against Clinton, he's the only one of the prominent Republican candidates that wins.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLMES: Credit HANNITY AND COLMES for that ad. By the way, Karen, about ten seconds, but is that an effective ad for McCain?

HANRETTY: That's a great ad for McCain, and it's the ad that Rudy Giuliani thought he would be airing at this time.

COLMES: We're going to pick it up with our guests. More of the quickest couple of segments in politics coming up. And coming up, President Clinton responds to a concerned citizen who wants Hillary to stop fighting with Obama over everything. And you're not going to believe who Frank Luntz is polling now and why. We'll enter a new political arena guaranteed to bring both sides of the aisle together, coming up on HANNITY AND COLMES.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATS: This is a lot harder for me than campaigning for myself ever was. You know, when I was running I didn't give a rip what anybody said about me. It's weird, you know, but if you love somebody, you think they'd be harder, but I think that's good advice.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLMES: That was former President Clinton earlier today responding to an audience member voicing concerns over Hillary Clinton being bated into the escalating feud between Clinton and Obama.

We continue now with Republican strategist Karen, FOX News contributor Juan Williams, and Democratic pollster Celinda Lake.

Celinda, are we making -- is the media making more of this than it really is? I don't think Clinton in that particular clip was adding any fuel to the fire. He was talking personally about how he handled things and how he's the husband of a candidate, and he has a very personal reaction to it.

LAKE: Right. I do think that there is -- you know, between the radio ads and the mail, you're starting to see this campaign really escalate in ways that I think a lot of Democrats are worried will not serve us well in the general election. So I think that a lot of us would like to see it cool down.

COLMES: Juan Williams, how do Democrats come together, because at some point there's going to be a nominee and an attempt to heal whatever wounds there are?

WILLIAMS: Gee, I don't think it's going to be a problem. I think that what you've got is a very energized Democratic base. And they're giving more money than they'd ever given to anybody, turning out in huge numbers.

And I think when it comes time to run against the Republicans, they just have to be reminded about what the Bush administration...

COLMES: Karen Hanretty, I want to see some of the conservatives have been knocking John McCain forever, if he happens to be the nominee, come together and support him, since he's been at the, you know, the other end of the barrel from conservatives who can't stand him.

HANRETTY: Well, nothing unites people like a common enemy, and I think that Hillary Clinton, if she in fact, is the nominee, will unite the Republican Party around John McCain, if in fact, he is the nominee.

COLMES: I see. It will take Hillary to do it.

HANRETTY: I'm not -- I'm not worried, Alan.

COLMES: I see. Perhaps you should be. But nevertheless, all right, John McCain once again acting as if he is now running in a general election. When on FOX earlier today, he focused his comments on Hillary Clinton. Let's take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R-AZ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You can believe Senator Clinton or you can believe General Petraeus. He says Iraq is the central battleground in the struggle against radical Islamic extremism. And if you're going to declare surrender, declare a date for withdrawal, my friends, all that sacrifice of those brave young Americans, I can't tell you how -- how incredible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory that Senator Clinton wants to do. I'm astonished.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLMES: Celinda Lake, is this a man running in a general election all of a sudden?

LAKE: It's a man trying to unite the Republicans and run in a general election all of a sudden, but I think as the Florida numbers show, he's still got a long road to go.

COLMES: What do you say to that, Karen? I mean, he's taking shots at Hillary Clinton as if she's going to be the nominee -- as if he's going to be the nominee, and they could both be wrong?

HANRETTY: Well, candidates in the Republican primary have been taking shots at Hillary all along, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, John McCain, Mitt Romney, they all have.

And you know, to McCain's credit, this is a message that he's been very consistent on from the beginning when it wasn't popular, and he's been proven right.

HANNITY: Karen, I want to play for you Senator McCain and comments that he made about my friend and colleague Rush Limbaugh as it relates. Rush has been very harsh in his criticism and analysis of McCain's very liberal record on McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, Gang of 14, not supporting the Bush tax cuts.

Here's what Senator McCain said today about Rush.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCCAIN: I respect Rush Limbaugh. He is a voice that is respected by a lot of people who are in our party. I've been trying to convince everybody that I am the most qualified.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: I'm not exactly sure that was the biggest -- that he's respected by a lot of people.

But -- but I guess the question is, we're now moving into Florida. There's no independent factor in Florida. It's a winner take all. This is a Republican primary. And that's why I was asking the question earlier about Fred Thompson getting out.

Will the conservative voters go to Senator McCain or Mitt Romney? Considering Senator McCain on a lot of issues has problems with conservatives.

HANRETTY: Well, look, I and many others, and you certainly have said all along from the beginning, as early as last year, John McCain is going to have a very difficult time winning the Republican primary.

Now, I think he's -- he's done very well so far. I'd be surprised if he can make it out of Florida, but you know, this election has been full of surprises. I think that as the economy becomes -- overtakes the war in Iraq as an issue of prominence among Republicans. I think that that does help Mitt Romney.

HANNITY: There's a lot of press, Juan, about Rush when he made the comments that he'd not sure at the end if he'd even be able to support the Republican nominee if -- if that person was too liberal, which is something he though he'd never think about in his lifetime.

WILLIAMS: I don't think that's believable. But of course, you know what? Look, I think that with, you know, Fred Thompson pulling out, Fred Thompson is very close to John McCain. He says he's not going to endorse, but I think he would have to look that way.

And I think Huckabee constantly says that, if there hadn't been, you know, Fred Thompson in the race, he would have actually won in South Carolina. So you see how this dynamic shifts.

I'm surprised that Romney's pulling ahead in Florida. The big story there, I think, though, is what's going on with Giuliani.

HANNITY: Well, and we'll see what happens. We're five days away from here.

But by the way, let's take a little trip down memory lane. It is ten years ago that Hillary, defending her husband, "Today Show," coined the term "vast right-wing conspiracy."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The great story here, for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it, is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Doesn't that just remind you, Juan, especially in light of all the mud that the Clintons are slinging here now, that they're always conspiracy-minded? The world's always against them.

(DOING CLINTON IMITATION) They're always attacking me and my poor wife.

It's...

COLMES: Please.

HANNITY: You know...

WILLIAMS: You know what? He was impeached, Sean. They did impeach him. And you know what? As far as they're concerned, they're on the defensive.

The other day they were asked about her negative numbers, in terms -- and she said, "Well, I'm always under attack," and she's surprised the numbers are as good as they are. She should be more unpopular.

COLMES: Can they impeach you for impersonating Clinton? Thank you all very much.

HANNITY: No, attempting. Attempting.

COLMES: Attempting, that's a good word.

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